2015 Re-Readalong: Eye of the World and The Great Hunt

[Toral Delvar]

Re: 2015 Re-Readalong: TGH Chapters 38-44

Chapter 34
So...who killed Barthanes?

He was ripped apart, which suggests to me the ''gholam''. whoever did it, it doesn't seem political (that would be much simpler I think) and by someone who could get the information about what Barthanes did, and then get the killer to him very quickly

 

[Maibella ni Rhoiden t'al'Varrak]

Re: 2015 Re-Readalong: TGH Chapters 31-37

TGH: 12

Not much to talk about here, I do love the description of the various tents from the Ajahs with the Red tents being lonely and the green ones being a party, I wonder how the Reds became the most numerous Ajah, in the story proper we don't exactly see the Reds being nice to anyone including other Aes Sedai.

That can not be good for PR.

:rofl Definitely not! Our site Reds have much better PR imo. :P

TGH: 16

STALKER, CREEPY STALKER LADY, Just let the Grolm eat her Rand the world will be better for it.

Oh my gosh YES PLEASE.

Also, I wonder why the Seanchan killed the Watchers? What were they doing wrong that offended them so much they didn't just make them swear the oaths?

As I understand it, the Watchers were specifically tasked with WATCHING for the return of Hawkwing's army. Whereas other people simply forgot about Hawkwing's armies over time, the Watchers neglected their duties in the eyes of the Seanchan. And neglect of duty is not something they forgive easily.

I also agree with Toral's assumption that the gholam killed Barthanes - that was what I always assumed.

 

[Imzadi Hopewind]

Re: 2015 Re-Readalong: TGH Chapters 38-44

Yay for Nynaeve! She beat the Seanchans Why didn't the girls after think "Oh no, she's black ajah, she lied to us"... But no, they just couldn't think it that far?

 

[Toral Delvar]

Re: 2015 Re-Readalong: TGH Chapters 38-44

I'm not convinced Liandrin did lie to them, but after all her talk of Black Ajah, they should certainly have worked out at that time she was one, though perhaps they can be forgiven for not having it at the top of their mind

 

[Rhed al'Tere]

Re: 2015 Re-Readalong: TGH Chapters 38-44

I don't think the Seanchan see taking the artifacts to Turak as stealing. They're old things, museumy things, and those should belong to the state/nation, not to an individual. Turak is in effect the state, so he gets them.

Chapter 19
Loial has the endurance of the Aiel.

Chapter 20
Lanfear absolutely shuns the title of Aes Sedai.
She fears the Choden Kal (spelling is mangled, I know). Because of the power of them, or because Rand channeling through one could be disastrous?
Rand reaches for who he is when he's using the Portal Stone and finds the Aiel.

Chapter 22
Moiraine and Lan's bond. Moiraine knows he loves Nynaeve.
Moiraine arranged the bond passing long before Lanfear and the arches and Aiel -- so she didn't have the foreknowledge that the bond would be severed, just that troublesome times were coming and she may die.
Passing the bond hadn't been done in 400 years.
What did Moiraine discover??

Chapter 23
First time we see the oaths in full?
How true a reflection is the world in the arches? Women can't feel men channel, yet Nynaeve can feel Aginor's channeling.
Fear of what was: That she'd been unable to beat or fight back against Aginor. That she has to leave him alive, a threat to her and those she loves (and the world.)
Fear of what is: Her village abandoned and gone to hell.
We see 'sin' in WoT as something fanatics talk about: Whitecloaks, and Malena.
"You must want to be Aes Sedai more than anything else in the whole world, enough to face anything, fight free of anything, to achieve it."
Fear of what will be: Lan, and living without him.
Has anyone ever considered what might be in their arches for the Accepted test?

Chapter 24
Egwene first learns of testing and how few women are in the Tower -- she changes all the customs and swells the ranks.
Logain. So sad.
Gawyn: "I wonder if meeting [Rand] will shift our lives in the Pattern?" AHAHAHAHHAHAAAHAAHA.
Min: "We three are tied together..." of her, Elayne, and Egwene. Interesting.
How did Eliada know Moiraine summoned Min?

Chapter 25
Foregaters are not "normal" Cairhienen: They're noisy, loud, and wear bright colors. Possibly show off more skin too.
Sidenote: I've been seeing lots of Moirain drawings on my Tumblr feed, and it always annoys me when people have her showing off cleavage. Have they not read New Spring? She, like most Cairhienen, is very modest and low cut dresses would *not* be her thing. Hmph.
Thom! Hooray! And he asks after Moiraine.

Chapter 26
Does Thom know Hurin? Thom: "No, don't tell me how."

Chapter 27
Hehehehhe: Rand: "The dead heroes are not supposed to come back to save me from Trollocs." Isn't that exactly what Olver blows the Horn for?

Chapter 28
"Sometimes, to Perrin's eyes, the crescent crest on the Shienaran's [Ingtar's] helmet looked like a Trolloc's horns."
Why is Ingtar so desperate to find the Horn?
First description of an actual Aiel.

Chapter 29
Seanchan. Obviously has different fauna than Randland. Lucky it's domesticable -- look at Europe/Middle East v. Africa/Americas/Australia. Europe/ME had a lot more domesticable animals than other continents, and that gave them a foot up in the technology race. Seanchan and Randland are on basically equal footing as far as technology goes.
How did the Seanchan develop the damane leash? A woman who could learn to channel hated channelers as much as Artur Hawkwing? Before the loss of how to make angreal (if the leashes are angreal)?

 

[Aduiavas Ida]

Re: 2015 Re-Readalong: TGH Chapters 38-44

I believe it is explained somewhere that it was an Aes Sedai in Seanchan that first invented the a'dam, to curry favour to Hawkwings' sons armies. Her reward was to be leashed with it herself after a while

 

[Maibella ni Rhoiden t'al'Varrak]

Re: 2015 Re-Readalong: TGH Chapters 38-44

Yes, the explanation of the invention of the leashes comes in the chapters we're on this week. I just got to it last night. But here's a question:

It is explained that an Aes Sedai invented it, leashed another Aes Sedai, then presented the leashed one to Lurthair Pendrag and forced her to serve him. The story goes on that more leashes were created, more marathe'damane were collared, and eventually people were found who could be sul'dam. (We know now that the sul'dam are those with the ability to learn to channel.) But how was the first collared Aes Sedai controlled, if not by the Aes Sedai who collared her? And if that was the case, how was the decision made to look for women who CANNOT channel and see if they could control the leash? How did no one realize or remember that Aes Sedai can also control the leash, or figure out that there is something about the sul'dam that has to do with the One Power?

I'm not sure my question was coherent ...

 

[Aduiavas Ida]

Re: 2015 Re-Readalong: TGH Chapters 38-44

I understand Maibella, and I think that this is a case of people not realizing things they don't want to know, or examine further

 

[Kassina Tendar]

Re: 2015 Re-Readalong: TGH Chapters 38-44

That's a good point. Maybe they quickly realized that there were a lot of people who couldn't channel who could be sul'dam after the Aes Sedai started making the a'dam for them. And then eventually the few people who had seen channelers acting as sul'dam died and it just became an unspoken rule that of course sul'dam can't channel. I mean, the first time someone who's never touched the Power was able to use the a'dam, that probably set them thinking that maybe it's not linked to the Power after all. Just like a lot of Wisdoms don't realize they can channel, it's not too much of a stretch to say that, if you (as someone who can't channel as far as you know) are chosen as a sul'dam, then your first thought isn't going to be "I must be able to channel then!"

 

[Maibella ni Rhoiden t'al'Varrak]

Re: 2015 Re-Readalong: TGH Chapters 38-44

Good points Adui Sedai and Kassina Sedai.

 

[Iria Saronin]

Re: 2015 Re-Readalong: TGH Chapters 38-44

Chapter 27
Hehehehhe: Rand: "The dead heroes are not supposed to come back to save me from Trollocs." Isn't that exactly what Olver blows the Horn for?

Oh, an awesome point, thanks for sharing it, Mother!

Good points Adui Sedai and Kassina Sedai.

I agree. I never thought of that before, but those explanations make a lot of sense. I like it how one of the themes of the series seems to be how different societies "handle" people who are somehow different and special (i.e. can channel).

 

[Wil Cambrae]

Re: 2015 Re-Readalong: TGH Chapters 38-44

So I guess the Seanchan wilders never have the issue of dying because they can'ts control the OP like they do in Randland. I wonder how their damane/sul'dam population compares to Randlands.
and I just realized I've read too far so I can't comment about a thing I noticed with the Horn
Next week!

 

[Megana Vallentin]

Re: 2015 Re-Readalong: TGH Chapters 38-44

These chapters make me realize I'm a horrible person. :$ I so hated Egwene the first time I read the books. I saw her as a naive tagalong and a bully (with Perrin in book 1), who didn't trust Rand (not believing he met Elayne) and generally thought she was a lot smarter than she really was. So when she got captured by the Seanchan, I cheered. FINALLY she would be harshly educated and made to see reality. I think I was also reading Sword of Truth at the time, so I kept thinking Egwene had it easy with a sul'dam, compared to what a mord sith would do!

My notes are a chapter off, I'm not sure which chapter I skipped.

Chapter 39
I think this is when Egwene starts to admit that she might not love Rand romantically. She obviously has a crush on Galad, but so far it sounds like the same crush everyone has, nothing unusual. And she doesn't show any interest in Gawyn yet.

Chapter 40
And here's where horrible-Meg started cheering...

Chapter 41
I keep wondering if Verin and Ingtar are conspiring in some way, but now I'm thinking he's just totally Horn-crazed.

Chapter 42
Hearing about Ryma/Pura made me finally start to realize the seriousness of Egwene's situation, and also to doubt the all-powerful, all-knowing face that the Aes Sedai present to the world.

Chapter 43:
Jeez Egwene, just behave and wait for rescue. Why do you give up so easily?

Chapter 44:
Verin says "Five ride forth" enough that I feel like someone should have questioned her, especially Rand since he's aware of the existence of the prophecies.

 

[Imzadi Hopewind]

Re: 2015 Re-Readalong: TGH Chapters 38-44

Yes, but I do understand Egwene too. Renna ain't nice and knows when Egwene have been misbehaving. Good that Min is there

 

[Toral Delvar]

Re: 2015 Re-Readalong: TGH Chapters 38-44

She obviously has a crush on Galad, but so far it sounds like the same crush everyone has, nothing unusual. And she doesn't show any interest in Gawyn yet.

Until she decides she is in love with Gawyn, I don't think she does show much more of an interest.
And of course, later, Galad is supposed to have been interested in Nynaeve, and his attitude to Egwene just that of politeness, but I don't see anything to support that

 

[Kassina Tendar]

Re: 2015 Re-Readalong: TGH Chapters 38-44

Every sul'dam wanted her turn wearing a bracelet; they called it being complete

Another hint that they can channel. At least, it can be viewed as that.

"If [Aes Sedai] fight openly for the Seanchan, we will surely face them elsewhere." [...] They had to know under the Dome of Truth that for all their vaunted oaths, Aes Sedai would march into battle.

:facepalm :facepalm I hate how the Whitecloaks are going to use the existence of damane/sul'dam to further their hatred for Aes Sedai. I realize they don't really know who the Seanchan are, but I hate that they made that mistake and are assuming the damane must be Aes Sedai because they can channel.

Rand peered at the sketched wheel as Ingtar went on with his instructions. It was a broken wheel, now, with only four spokes. For some reason that made him shiver.

I assume this is referring to Ingtar's death.

 

[Imzadi Hopewind]

Re: 2015 Re-Readalong: TGH Chapters 38-44

Yes, Verin says, 5 to ride out, only 4 to return. So yep, Ingtar's death shes talking about. How she knows that, I don't remember? Profeti?

 

[Aduiavas Ida]

Re: 2015 Re-Readalong: TGH Chapters 38-44

Yeah, it think that is what is said on the wall in Fal Dara in the beginning on the book

 

[Imzadi Hopewind]

Re: 2015 Re-Readalong: TGH Chapters 45-50

Thanks Adui!

 

[Iria Saronin]

Re: 2015 Re-Readalong: TGH Chapters 45-50

I thought, too, that it was said on the wall in Fal Dara, Aduiavas Sedai and Imzadi Sedai, but I had to check it up for refreshing my memory, and I noticed it's actually at chapter 22, where Moiraine asks Vandene about Toman Head. I think that it definitely refers to Ingtar, but I also find it interesting that there were 5 who left Emond's Field and only 4 who can come back, although I'm not sure if they will return there for a visit. I like to think that prophecies work on several levels, and this is just one more level to it.

There were a few things that left me wondering: the Towers of Midnight were mentioned in the history of a'dams, but if the book 13 is named after them, I don't recall any Seanchan towers being mentioned there... :arch What have I missed here? Another small detail was that Nynaeve remembered Sheriam telling her that the Oaths are said inside a ter'angreal ? Maybe Jordan just decided later that a rod is more feasible for the plot?