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Haha, yeah same goes for me vanishing for a couple weeks. It's a busy time of year. Yeah, nothing for it but to wait for more confirmation of what the Wheel is really about, either from the encyclopedia or if BS ever gives out more of what was in those notes.

That's always a possibility for stuff like this, and for Sanderson at least I'd say it's more like a probability :P He did after all have a lot on his plate to tie up, and I'm sure he just tried to put as much of whatever was in the notes he was given to book as possible. RJ, on the other hand...

I am sure if you were to read your own story without the context of us having this discussion, you would think that is an incredibly awkward way for Randall to describe that situation. And that's even though this story was formatted by you to the best of your abilities to make that line work...

You are twisting the words to a meaning that is clearly not what they say, nor is what is intended by the author. If our apartments have different TVs, would it be reasonable for me to say "Only in my apartment is there a TV" as a way of saying that your apartment has a different TV? No, and...

To look at it in the same lens as the theory, the Dragon Soul is then also an entity like the DO who exists partially outside of time, and partially inside. His contact with the Pattern extends through this 'anchored' area where he is still outside but contacting it enough to have time for his...

Why he did it is entirely irrelevant. The point is that there is time because he did that. We are told outright that Rand is moving through time because he is anchored to the Pattern.

They were not fully outside the Pattern when they did that, Rand clearly states he "anchors" himself to the Pattern in order to feel the flow of time.

If there is more than one Bore on the Wheel, the theory remains the same. The point is that it is a Wheel, and therefore there are not an infinite number of them when viewed from the outside, every turning lays to the same points on the Wheel. It's stated multiple times that there is no time...

It follows exactly from what we are told in the books. We are told time is a Wheel. We are told you don't experience time when outside of it. Therefore, from the Outside view, the DO only touched the Wheel in one place, because all the repeated Bores are the same point on the wheel. We are...

I think you missed my response to that. He's did NOT "begin doing it again". Each battle for him is separated from all the rest, because they all spawn from the same thing. The DO touches the Wheel once, and that touch places him into each Bore in each turning. But the DO's experience in...

That's exactly right. The DO's situation is unique, he is the only entity that both was in the Pattern, and exists entirely outside the Pattern (Rand stayed anchored to the Pattern so he could continue to experience time). This view of being in time and out requires you to analyze it from two...

No...as I said I'm saying the DO only experiences time in the Pattern, not when he's outside. What you are saying, which I'm disagreeing with, is that he is experiencing a separate timeline outside the Pattern that he moves back and forth from.

What you are considering the "effect" of time is arbitrarily selective. You say he doesn't get "old", his memories don't "fade". But a memory in the first place IS an effect of time. You have to be affected by time to obtain a memory. You have to be affected by time to even have an...

If you read again the beginning of Chapter 34, where Rand first exited the Pattern, you will see that Rand had to anchor himself to the Pattern in order for time "to have meaning." As soon as he began to leave it, he began to get "sucked" away, and if he allowed that he would have ceased to...

I never said he doesn't experience time at all, quite the contrary I said he experiences time for exactly the period where he was in contact with the pattern. But not for the period after Rand sealed it. That's enough two have seen TWO incarnations of the Dragon (Rand and LTT). Given these...

Don't take the copies-concept literally, that was just a model to try to explain the DO's experience in terms parallel to something we might experience. I was not saying there actually were copies of the DO. The DO is present in the Pattern at every 2-3rd age of the turning, and the actions he...

My view on it is that there's no such thing as memory outside of the Pattern. These things are products of time, you can't have a memory unless there is a past and there is no past unless there is time. To our sensibilities, in the timelessness outside the Pattern, the Dark One is just a...

Thanks both of you! And I certainly welcome any criticism and discussion that you come up with from reading through this. Yes that's a good way to put it, it is 1 battle from the outside, but infinitely many from the inside. The problem with this reasoning is that you are putting together a...

I'd like to present my interpretation on the nature of the Dark One, the Pattern, and why Ishamael's belief that the Dark One must eventually win is misguided. This is a larger writeup of what I posited in another thread (you can read just this quote as a TLDR summary): Ishamael bases his...