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I hear what you are saying, but I don't think it maps well on to the WoT as we know it. Remember, Rand is described as the "Lord of Chaos"...and, that is certainly true. But just because the DO and the Forsaken wanted the Lord of Chaos to "rule" doesn't make the DO the embodiment of Chaos...

:) And further --- Semirhage = Cruelty, Messana = Envy/Jealousy (she wanted to be a researcher but didn't measure up), Rhavin = Lust (for Power). Very Catholic (and I say that as a Catholic. :) ). D.GOOCH

I don't see how you get there. The pattern is balance -- good balanced by evil. This is why Rand's t'averen effect had good and bad outcomes, but when the Dark One was touching the pattern too strongly, it shifted over to purely good outcomes (to balance the imbalance introduced by the Dark...

The Dark One doesn't represent an elimination of choice. The Dark One is the choice (or one of the options of the choice between Evil/Shadow vs. Good/Light). The Dark One is Evil. Selfishness. Greed. Vanity. Jealousy. The view of Good/Evil put forward by RJ is very Catholic. Note how the...

Or, perhaps Shadar Logoth and it's particular kind of evil is unique to this Turn, because the way that the Dark One tainted the source is unique --- Shadar Logoth was the Pattern's response, in this Turn, to the 'unique' counterstroke of the Shadow for this Turn. IOW, "uniqueness" in this...

But wait, the Pattern allows change (i.e. uniqueness). That is explicit. Every thread can weave a number of different ways that the Pattern can accomodate. Even t'averen have a bit of leeway in making choices (the Pattern allows for even variation there). I've read nothing in the series that...

I've read through your argument here in this thread, but I don't get this point. What about it doesn't make sense? I get that you don't like it, and that it doesn't fit your previous theory. What I don't get is why you think the ending doesn't "make sense"...or is somehow inconsistent with...

Hey, he could have used "orthogonal." ;) D.GOOCH

Aspects of the series where choice is intergal: 1) The Dark One "turns" channellers to the Shadow, against their will, by removing their capacity for real choice. The series clearly establishes that this is a fate worse than death. 2) Compulsion is considered inherently evil, and the worst...