Perhaps that is so, you'll have to realize I typed my responses as I ready, save for the first one where I just quoted you directly and replied. I realize now that the whole topic is a stalemate and nothing I say is going to convince you one way or the other because other more eloquent people...
Yes ha! I was hoping to edit in the rest of the post I have on my note pad before anyone noticed. *shifty eyes* I was only on page one or two when I saw that and just... needed to respond lol.
They were turned against their will because of torture. You can force someone to rob a bnk with a gun...