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  1. Aulrick Vendour

    Why Ishamael is wrong: The Nature of the Pattern and the Dark One

    Are you saying the DO is brought into the pattern, but he's not influenced by time despite of it? That sounds odd...
  2. Aulrick Vendour

    Why Ishamael is wrong: The Nature of the Pattern and the Dark One

    Not really. The word "meaning" can be seen in many ways, one of the more basic ones is how I've described it - the effects are meaningless, but that doesn't mean one is unaware of what time is, or can't understand it's effect on others.
  3. Aulrick Vendour

    Why Ishamael is wrong: The Nature of the Pattern and the Dark One

    I dunno. I think we're looking at this whole "timelessness" idea in the wrong way. I think that it's not that he's unaware of time, it's just that he doesn't feel it's effects. He knows that within the pattern there IS time, and things change, and he has memories of things that are past attempts...
  4. Aulrick Vendour

    Why Ishamael is wrong: The Nature of the Pattern and the Dark One

    Sorry, the whole copies thing really makes no sense to me. Once the seals were broken the DO was free. If there were more then one when Rand pulled him into the pattern, then why didn't the free one living out side time attack this spot at the same time? On the most basic level, there will be a...
  5. Aulrick Vendour

    Why Ishamael is wrong: The Nature of the Pattern and the Dark One

    Well, this is confusing... I understand the problem of mixing time with timelessness, but what other choice do we have? Once he's inside the pattern, time has meaning for him. How do we escape that? Once he's thrown back to timelessness, does he not have a memory of this battle against Rand? Or...
  6. Aulrick Vendour

    Why Ishamael is wrong: The Nature of the Pattern and the Dark One

    That is AWESOME! Really, it's great. Meaning the DO doesn't fight multiple times, but one fight... BUT, and here's where I think you got things wrong: if it's always the same fight, then the DO indeed feels time and fights new fights all the time. It's just that what's ages for humans is...
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