Nynaeve goes to the dark side

[Yor Terbor]

Being the conspiracy theorist that I am, I foresee a scenario where Rand does not send the help Nynaeve so desperately wants him to send. One of the forsaken spots this and promises Nynaeve to send an army to save Lan in return for her betrayal of the Light. Nynaeve promises and turns evil. Lan is saved, finds out what Nynaeve has done and forsakes her.

Could this happen?


Yor

 

[Lenore Carvoe]

Never.

 

[Kiante Draktis]

I HIGHLY doubt it. Nynaeve's REALLY stubborn after all. She'd sooner go into the Blight alone.

 

[Tazren Talamar]

I HIGHLY doubt it. Nynaeve's REALLY stubborn after all. She'd sooner go into the Blight alone.

Yeah. If Rand doesn't send help, she'd face an army of shadowspawn at Lan's side, just the two of them, before she'd swear to the Shadow.

She'd never swear, not like that. If she would, I'd say perhaps under intense torture? But I guess that would go for most people, really. Except a few, like Lan.

 

[Leo Kian]

Never ever! It would kind of defeat the object of Lan going to fight the Shadow, and his life long war. She would never agree to that. And if she did...could you imagine marital relations after that!? Frosty to say the least!

Interesting theory though.

 

[Seth al'Kerr]

No.

 

[GMDamodred]

i cant see it like that, though now you have brought this subject up i would like to see a main lass 13x13'd possibly Elayne to get to Rand when they find out its his kids.

 

[Seth al'Kerr]

I think that the 13x13 was introduced for a plot purpose, so we will see someone turned by it, but I think that's going to be mostly the Asha'man. I don't think any of our mains (Rand, Mat, Perrin, Egwene, Nynaeve, Elayne, Aviendha, Tuon, Faile, Gawyn, Galad, Lan or Moiraine) are going to come out as Darkfriends, or be tempted.

Nynaeve loves Lan a LOT, but she's not going to go Darkfriend for him. She's not an idiot. And with the coming of bright Rand, Lan's going to get some help.

 

[GMDamodred]

hope it aint the faithful ashaman, i wouldnt mind losing elayne to the darkside atm.. or a couple others, maybe egwene will have to kill siuan.

 

[Tazren Talamar]

Since the Last Battle's about to start, I don't really think there's time to 13x13 somebody else, aside from those in the Black Tower. I could see Pevara being turned, for instance. She's not a main character, but she a PoV-character at least, that we've seen quite a bit of. Not that I hope she'll be turned ... I like her, so it would be a shame.

 

[Yor Terbor]

I see that there are many doubters and I understand that we all hope for the best for Nynaeve and Lan. I'm not saying I want her turned, only that it could happen. I accept that the chances of the book being written to match my theory are slim. However in defense of my craziness think on this.

Many of the Forsaken turned for very petty reasons including wanting to be able to enjoy music forever or jealousy. Nynaeve is a very loyal person and sees the world in very straightforward terms. When she make up her mind she throws an almost obsessive amount of effort into whatever project she is on. She has a hard time accepting blame for her own mistakes and can hold a grudge when she perceives she has been slighted. Lan getting hurt or ignored by Rand might set her against him.

If for any reason she feels betrayed by Rand especially concerning Lan a cagey Forsaken might try to exploit the crack between them. Remember the dark side is not always truthful and may use deceit to lead her until even if she realizes the error of what she has done it may be too late to recover.

I'm not sure that the Dark One is considering that this Last Battle is the end game for him. After all he is immortal and screwing with us puny humans may just be a light diversion for him. Getting Nynaeve turned may just be a giggle for him and of no real import in his chess match with the creator. The DO may not even want to win. I mean how interesting would a world run by Trollocs be. A basic trolloc day would be kill, eat, fart, sleep....again...again... etc...


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[Leo Kian]

I think you make a good point about the Forsaken, however I think the circumstances are different. In the AoL there was no Shadow until the Collapse, and nobody really knew what was happening. Nyn has grown up hating the Shadow, she understands what the world is facing better than those who became Forsaken did back in the day.

 

[Tazren Talamar]

I think the theory also fails because we just don't know how the Forsaken were before their turning. Not those you're referring to, at least. There's not enough info on them to make a good comparison.

I also think that Leo makes a very good point; Nynaeve has grown up hating the Shadow. She knows precisely what aiding it would mean. Even if Rand betrays her, turning to the Shadow would mean Lan's death, in the long run. Aiding the Shadow would mean betraying Egwene, Elayne, Mat, Perrin and all others she cares about. If Rand betrays her, she'll make him regret it, but not by turning to the Shadow.

There is also the fact that, she has very little reason. She isn't selfish or greedy, for one, which is something almost all darkfriends are. I would also point out that Asmodean severed his own mother. He obviously cannot have been a very good person. Nynaeve wouldn't harm an innocent like that - I think we've seen sufficient proof of that, especially from how she reacted during her testing for the shawl. Also, there is very little the Shadow could actually give her. Lan's life? Maybe, but she knows he wouldn't stay alive long after she made that decision. He'd ride and kill himself in the Blight.

 

[Taika Vinh]

I agree with Leo and Tazren. I think the fight against the Shadow is on top of Nynaeve's priority list as the most important thing. Even above her love to Lan. She's a passionate person who has thought a lot about priorities (think of both her Raisings for example), and is never afraid of acting accordingly. She's capable of making sacrifices, even Lan's life in my opinion. Turning to Shadow would just be too much out of character for Nynaeve.

In my opinion this theory would have been slightly more possible with Perrin before he manned up in ToM He's the only one I've seen to talk about putting his love before everything else.

Since the Last Battle's about to start, I don't really think there's time to 13x13 somebody else, aside from those in the Black Tower. I could see Pevara being turned, for instance. She's not a main character, but she a PoV-character at least, that we've seen quite a bit of. Not that I hope she'll be turned ... I like her, so it would be a shame.

I agree with you. I really really hope Pevara & the asha'man faithful to Logain get something done before that happens. It was awful enough that Tarna's probably 13x13'ed.

 

[Ryenna do Ivorny a'Meiran]

The scenario ain't bad, but it will be really out of character for Nyneave. The thing I am wondering is if it is possible the Light to regain the kingdom of Malkier and Nyneave and Lan to become rightful rulers. Now when Egwene is the Amyrlin Seat and Elayne is the queen of Andor, Nyneave is somewhat left behind, so maybe she'll become a queen too. :P Doesn't have much in common with the thread but I wanted to mention this thought of mine.

 

[narishma a'lcorna]

The scenario ain't bad, but it will be really out of character for Nyneave. The thing I am wondering is if it is possible the Light to regain the kingdom of Malkier and Nyneave and Lan to become rightful rulers. Now when Egwene is the Amyrlin Seat and Elayne is the queen of Andor, Nyneave is somewhat left behind, so maybe she'll become a queen too. :P Doesn't have much in common with the thread but I wanted to mention this thought of mine.

Because Nyneave married Lan, I'm Pretty sure she is a queen. I would love to see this happen, because Nyneave and Lan are probably the two people in the books most deserving of a prosperous kingdom

 

[Leo Kian]

She would be 'titular' Queen of Malkier currently, that is Queen in title *history nerd side coming out* I would love to see them reconquer Malkier and be rulers in truth, I think it could happen, with the support of the Tower and all the new discoveries I think after the LB it could be possible.

 

[Nirra Bar-Lev]

Being the conspiracy theorist that I am, I foresee a scenario where Rand does not send the help Nynaeve so desperately wants him to send. One of the forsaken spots this and promises Nynaeve to send an army to save Lan in return for her betrayal of the Light. Nynaeve promises and turns evil. Lan is saved, finds out what Nynaeve has done and forsakes her.

Could this happen?


Yor

I don't think so, even though Nynaeve showed weakness during her testing in the Tower.

 

[Tazren Talamar]

[quote="Yor Terbor":1eogurj3]Being the conspiracy theorist that I am, I foresee a scenario where Rand does not send the help Nynaeve so desperately wants him to send. One of the forsaken spots this and promises Nynaeve to send an army to save Lan in return for her betrayal of the Light. Nynaeve promises and turns evil. Lan is saved, finds out what Nynaeve has done and forsakes her.

Could this happen?


Yor

I don't think so, even though Nynaeve showed weakness during her testing in the Tower.[/quote:1eogurj3]

And we all know that that testing means absolutely nothing when it comes to the potential of turning to the Shadow. Since like 1/4 of all Aes Sedai turned out to be Black :P

 

[Lenore Carvoe]

It was just weakness in the eyes of some idiotic Aes Sedai, she definitely didn't fail - even if all attending Aes Sedai would have said that. :rolleyes

By the way: I don't think, Sanderson handled said scene well, and the one, where she finally got Lan's bond neither.