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And I think that's the perfect way to do it. Why spell it out right? It's all there, if you do pay attention, because there were only 3 Forsaken that could've been killed by her. En Mesaana's dead for all intents and purposes.

Kind of early, in a scene with Graendal and Shaidar Haran. SH remarks on how she's got a habit of killing other Forsaken. Or being responsible for their deaths (I don't recall exactly what he said). But it's about how she's responsible for Aran'gar (whom she left to be balefired by Rand), and...

http://steelypips.org/wotfaq/1_dark/1.1 ... o.html#grn The clues which point to Graendal. Mostly it's that she's got the least amount of evidence to the contrary against her.

I know. I'm so ashamed. :o

Ah, that is true. I had forgotten about that.

She probably did it herself? It was pretty strongly insinuated. And, even though Asmodean was considered the weakest of the Forsaken, he would still have been more than a match for almost any channeler or darkfriend from the current age. So it's a pretty safe bet Asmodean could've held his...

Yes! That's precisely what I mean. If the argumentet presented to Ishamael was strong enough, he could faithfully serve the Light again, hypothetically. None of the others could, for other reasons than pure survival.

That's what I meant. Ishamael didn't turn for purely selfish reasons. He turned because he was convinced that the Shadow would win, and fighting for the light was pointless. Compare that to Semirhage who wanted to hurt people, Lanfear who was jealous of Lews Therin and Ilyena, Demandred and...

I think what some of us have argued is that Ishy is the most likely to turn. That doesn't mean it's likely that he will. But given the atrocities all of the other Forsaken have committed for nothing more than pure selfishness, hatred and sadism, I find it even more unlikely that anybody else...

I've always seen Ishamael as the only one remotely likely to turn. He turned for philosophical, intellectual reasons. As mentioned, if he believes that the Light will indeed win, he might turn. If he reaches the conclusion that that is how things must be. I don't think it'll happen, but I think...