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  1. Hammar O'Justice

    Why Ishamael is wrong: The Nature of the Pattern and the Dark One

    Suppose Sanderson's story was the heroic tale of Randall Thor, leader of his group of friends and foretold by prophecy to organize the Super Bowl Party to End All Super Bowl Parties. Now suppose that in this story Sanderson explicitly depicts Randall in the TV store next to his apartment...
  2. Hammar O'Justice

    Why Ishamael is wrong: The Nature of the Pattern and the Dark One

    I agree that they're completely consistent if you interpret "time" there to mean "the time frame of the Pattern." It makes no sense whatsoever if taken to mean "there is no time outside the Pattern" because it is shown to us, directly, in plain text, that there is. The entire Wheel of Time...
  3. Hammar O'Justice

    Why Ishamael is wrong: The Nature of the Pattern and the Dark One

    It's impossible to make an observation unless you can move from a state of not noticing to a state of noticing. That requires time, or, put differently, time is defined as the distance between those two states.
  4. Hammar O'Justice

    Why Ishamael is wrong: The Nature of the Pattern and the Dark One

    Apparently I edited while you replied. See if my edit matters.
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    Why Ishamael is wrong: The Nature of the Pattern and the Dark One

    No. That is not why he does it. p. 584: "The blackness around [the Pattern] sucked on him, pulled him toward it. He reached out to the Pattern and somehow anchored himself in it lest he be consumed." [Bold emphasis added.] Here is the sequence: 1) Rand exits the Pattern. 2) He observes his...
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    Why Ishamael is wrong: The Nature of the Pattern and the Dark One

    At Timestamp A, the DO shows Rand an alternate reality. Rand processes it. They discuss it. Then at Timestamp B Rand makes another one to show the Dark One. A is before B. That is linear time.
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    Why Ishamael is wrong: The Nature of the Pattern and the Dark One

    That makes sense if you are saying "all events within the pattern are simultaneous when viewed from outside the Pattern." It makes no sense whatsoever in the context of "You showed me this before, now I will show you this other thing afterward."
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    Why Ishamael is wrong: The Nature of the Pattern and the Dark One

    What evidence exists anywhere for the proposition that the DO and Creator aren't subject to linear time in their own frame? The Dark One desires a change. Change by definition requires two different points in the same timeframe. The pattern is not broken in the Dark One's perception of his...
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