Discussion in 'Non-WOT - Literature and Fiction' started by Taika Vinh, Jan 6, 2014.
I'm reading Firefight by Brandon Sanderson.
Can you tell me the specific reason? We seem to have similarish taste so I'd be interested to know why you hated it.
Putting in spoilers because it's a major plot line. I'd like to add, overall, the book had really interesting worldbuilding and some decent characters. But...
We both know Butcher isn't... the best at writing female characters. He has 3 in the book, one's a pretty cool military spy person, one's a super powerful essentially waterbender who runs a large farm, and one's a strong soldier's floozy who manipulates people and uses mind control and is incredibly sexualized. The third one is written a lot like Lea in the Dresden Files, which I didn't like anyway.
But the thing that really turned me off of the book was that the second woman's entire plotline revolved around this other powerful landowner/farmer who wanted to rape her... just because. Because he didn't like her, or because she rebuffed him, maybe? I don't know. And he captured the third woman as well, who then was revealed to have been raped a lot when she was younger, and that's why she was all about sex. They escape from him and make it to the final scene of the battle, and then completely illogically in the middle of the final battle he shows up again to try to rape her. Again. There's not even an explanation of how he got there, or why he's still trying to rape her. I just would have liked the book so much better without that whole storyline, because the rest of it was pretty good. I just really don't like the "rape used as character development/to give sympathetic backstory" trope, and it was handled particularly poorly, I thought.
Ah okay... Yeah. I get why it'd put the reader off. Thanks for the warning. Maybe I won't read it anytime soon anyway.
Well, like I said, the rest of the book was pretty good. That was just a bit much for me.
I'm reading Night Film. I'm... not sure about it. I loved the premise and was drawn in when i first sat down to read it, but now her writing is annoying me. But I wanna know what happens...
I just finished up Darynda Jones' Charley Davidson series and am about halfway through Kimberley Frost's Southern Witch books. Both are pretty funny in the "no one's that big of a klutz" kind of way.
Gearing up for a re-read of Janet Evanovich's Stephanie Plum books.
Finished princeps fury and now on the final First Lords Fury, great series so far! Then onto Koontz' Saint Odd and probably Sandersons Reckoners series afterwards.
I finally get to continue the Matthew Swift series (by Kate Griffin). Reading the third book, Neon Court, right now.
I have those on my to read list, are they similar to dresden or very different?
I currently re-reading the Kushiel's series. I'm on the 2nd of the last 3 books, if that makes any sense.
Next I plan on reading one of the books Asandra recommended in other thread. I'm stuck in a rut and can't seem to find anything I "want" to read. I'm intrigued by her descriptions of the books she found great. I believe the one I'll start with is something about a house on harmony hill or something? Can't remember the title and am too lazy to go check. The author is Shirley Jackson.
House on Haunted Hill? That one was pretty good.
Kallarn, I really recommend reading them, at least give the first one a try!
Similarities between Dresden files and Matthew Swift: urban setting (Swift's in London), main character's a magician, 1st person narrative from the pov of the main character. Also both main characters have some anti-hero traits (Swift more than Dresden). Both are also snarky (Swift in a darker way, not as much pop/nerd culture references as in Dresden files). The pacing is fast in both. Both main characters get injured all the time. Both have a female apprentice who's snarky in her own way. Both get "jobs" they don't want (re: when Dresden first becomes a Warden, then the Knight. Similar stuff happens to Swift).
Differences: Griffin's take on urban magic is more urban (i.e. the mythology is more distanced in the Swift books compared to Dresden files), less structured and "smaller" (or maybe more local would be the word). Also Matthew Swift is (with or without the blue electric angels that share his mind and body) more interesting as a character than Harry Dresden (my opinion, but I like complicated things). The female characters are definitely far better written in the Swift books, but I think writing female characters is Butcher's biggest weakness anyway. One big difference is the language used. Griffin's much more lyrical (more imaginative description, less dialogue than in Dresden files), and I think that's the trait you either love (like I did) or hate. If you look at the goodreads reviews you can see everything from one star to five.
That's it!! Thanks. I'm looking forward to reading it.
Thanks Taika useful to know.
Just seen on goodreads theres a series called Magicals anonymous thats set in the same world.
The Color Purple by Alice Walker
I'm glad if it's helpful! Another quite big difference that just came to my mind is the swearing. There's a lot of rl swear words (not stuff like Hell's bells like in the Dresden books) in Kate Griffin's book, so some people wouldn't like them because of that.
As A Driven Leaf - Milton Steinberg
A Pigeon and a Boy - Meir Shalev
Champion - Marie Lu (audiobook)
Arthas: Rise of the Lich King - Christie Golden
Getting ready to start Brotherband: The Hunters - John Flanagan
Swearing doesn't bother me. It grates a bit if really over used but thats it.
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