Twice dawns the day

[Aulrick Vendour]

So, we had a thread about this a little while ago, with different theories about the meaning of that phrase...
I just got a closer look at A Memory of Light's art cover, and it seems it's an eclips after all:

Look at the backgroud, behind Rand. The sun is clearly covered by the moon (or at least, something that looks like the moon, creating an eclips).

Also: Is that Callandor he's holding in his hand?

 

[Tehmpus]

Possibly, sometimes there are errors in the artwork that make you think different things, so don't get too caught up in it. If I remember correctly, Callandor is shaped kinda like a long piece of crystal formation. The only actual sharp point to Callandor is the point. It doesn't have an edge.

If I were to take a guess, I'd say that he's wielding "Justice" which is described as mirrorlike in The Great Hunt.

 

[Aulrick Vendour]

I'm sad to say I have no idea which sword "Justice" is... I REALLY need to reread the books before AMoL...

 

[HGGundamReviews]

Possibly, sometimes there are errors in the artwork that make you think different things, so don't get too caught up in it. If I remember correctly, Callandor is shaped kinda like a long piece of crystal formation. The only actual sharp point to Callandor is the point. It doesn't have an edge.

If I were to take a guess, I'd say that he's wielding "Justice" which is described as mirrorlike in The Great Hunt.

Actually some time ago a person I follow on twitter asked Brandon about what Callandor looked like. I think she was planning on making one for a cosplay or something. According to what he said. It looked like the standard kind of sword that Rand and Lan had been shown to use. A Slightly curved blade with the raised quillens.

Basically this but in crystal.

I'm sad to say I have no idea which sword "Justice" is... I REALLY need to reread the books before AMoL...

As far as Justice goes. It was Hawkwings sword. It's the sword that Rand is now carrying. It was the one mentoned in the first chapter of The Gathering Storm. The sword he has that had been found under a burried collum or something like that. Brandon confirmed that it was Justice at a Q&A after TGS was released.

 

[Tehmpus]

You might say that Artur Hawkwing just used it for a time. It was specially created for Lews Therin in the Age of Legends. So you might say the sword is really the Dragon's personal sword.

 

[Aulrick Vendour]

You might say that Artur Hawkwing just used it for a time. It was specially created for Lews Therin in the Age of Legends. So you might say the sword is really the Dragon's personal sword.

Where's your source for this?

 

[Midian Venamar]

I was going to say, Rand specifically mentions that Justice wasn't from Lews Therin's memories.

Also, if you look at Rand's left thigh in the cover you can see Justice and a dagger (presumably the dagger Aviendha found that hides you from the DO) sheathed there.

 

[Aulrick Vendour]

So... what are we assuming?
He's holding Calandor, and has Justice and the dagger on his belt? Those are a lot of weapons for a man with just one hand... :P

 

[Midian Venamar]

I agree, but that's what I see. Also, he doesn't have to actually hold the dagger for it to work as a ter'angreal. And Callandor could technically be held by one of the ladies while they can still use it effectively.

 

[Axis m'Troutilas]

There is of course the point of how much information Whelan is entrusted with. But depending on how good his info is it would certainly seem that an eclipse is involved. He does seem to have been privy to a good amount we aren't though (like Nyn taking off her jewelry, so its probably fairly reliable)

Of course that may not be the event referred to by the prophesy, but its certainly looking pretty good for it right now.

We'll see soon enough I guess.

Possibly, sometimes there are errors in the artwork that make you think different things, so don't get too caught up in it. If I remember correctly, Callandor is shaped kinda like a long piece of crystal formation. The only actual sharp point to Callandor is the point. It doesn't have an edge.

If I were to take a guess, I'd say that he's wielding "Justice" which is described as mirrorlike in The Great Hunt.

I'm going to disagree with that one, the BWB description sound to me a hell of a lot like the cover.

[SIZE=+1][SIZE=+1]One of the most powerful male sa’angreal ever made, Callandor is believed to have been constructed during the War of Power. A crystal sword with a curved blade,
[/SIZE][/SIZE]

As for the mirror reference

Justice shone like a mirror in Artur Hawkwing's gauntleted fist.

I'm not sure that a crystal sword would shine "like a mirror" anyway, a polished metal blade is would probably fit that description better

We know for certain that Justice is long and slightly curved and the scabbard is black with a lacquered red and gold Dragon on it. So that's certainly not a drawing of Justice in his hand.

And barring a mistake from Bradon, that's certainly not how he's choosing to describe Justice anyway in TGS.

"I have to fix what problems I can," Rand said, pulling the ancient sword from the sheath and checking the blade. There was no heron mark, but the fine steel blade glistened in the lamplight, showing the undulating lines of its folded metal. It had been Power-forged, he claimed. He seemed to know things about it he did not share.

Callandor is the key to the ending anyway so I'd be very surprised to see Rand holding anything else.

I agree with the others that the one on his belt is pretty much certainly to be Justice given everything

I also agree that the dagger is terribly interesting. The problem is doesn't really match the descrption we have for the knife that hides you from the shadowspawn. Could be artistic license, though, so still a good candidate I think.

The dagger is slightly longer than the palm of a hand, but wide in proportion. It is seemingly made of iron, but appears to also have never been sharpened, with an edge that would not cut much more than butter. The hilt is made of deerhorn and wrapped in gold wire.

You might say that Artur Hawkwing just used it for a time. It was specially created for Lews Therin in the Age of Legends. So you might say the sword is really the Dragon's personal sword.

That's just a theory not fact, and a bit of a weak one considering LTT in Rands head didn't remember it. The origins of Justice are currently unknown.

The best idea so far had been that Hawkwing kept Amalasan's sword as a trophy (hence the dragon).

 

[Aulrick Vendour]

Callandor is the key to the ending anyway so I'd be very surprised to see Rand holding anything else.

Well, the larger picture clearly shows it's calandor, since you can see it's made of cristal. You can see through it wuite clearly.

I also agree that the dagger is terribly interesting. The problem is doesn't really match the descrption we have for the knife that hides you from the shadowspawn. Could be artistic license, though, so still a good candidate I think.

Really? I think this dagger, besides being a little thin, is exactly like the description you gave... The hilt is brown like a deer's horn, and there is clearly something wraped around it, possibly made of gold or some other metal...

Also can I ask - what the hell were you talking about Nyneave taking off her jewelry?

 

[Axis m'Troutilas]

I agree its probably a bit of artistic license to make it "look more like a dagger" by making it thinner/longer. The other part of the description fits pretty well. And given the context it makes pretty good sense for it to be that particular dagger given its properties.

Interview about the cover from Fans who had some input with Whelan. Who certainly seems to have access enough to the manuscript for us to take the cover pretty seriously.

Interview: May, 2012
A Memory of Light Cover Art Round-Up (Verbatim)
MRJackson@218 (7 May 2012)

Not sure why there's still confusion. It's Nynaeve and Moiraine on the back cover. The yellow and blue dresses should make that apparent. Nynaeve's hair is obviously shorter than it used to be.
I spoke to Michael about the cover as he was finishing it. Since he didn't have the opportunity to read all fourteen books for the assignment, I was one of the people he leaned on to fact check his work.
Michael mentioned there are details the readers (like me) wouldn't be privy to yet. For example, Nynaeve takes the bulk of her jewelry off before this scene.
Callandor is a sword that isn't a sword, right? He's not holding it for defense. It's a source of power as well as his source of light (there's a clue about that in the lighting on his face). He's shielding his eyes as he stares in to the pit. Apparently, the deeper he goes into Shayol Ghul, the brighter it shines.
A little background that some might not know... Michael has studied martial arts, including Filipino Kali and Arnis. The forearm slash position actually has some utility in fights with bladed weapons.
Compositionally, the line of the sword is another element that draws you into the intensity of Rand's stare. Further, the opening of the cave is the shape of an eye; the eclipse suggests an iris. It's as if the gaze of the Dark One is falling on Rand. We see his strength and determination in response. How many illustrators can convey that kind of depth in a scene?
Say what you will, but I think Michael brought a lot to the plate on what was a very difficult cover assignment. He put his stamp on Rand while producing a cover that fits well with the first thirteen that DKS painted.
analiese@222 (8 May 2012)

Thanks for confirming that. However, Nynaeve's hair is still the wrong color and, while it's shorter after the Aes Sedai testing in Towers of Midnight, it should still be in a shoulder-length braid. She never gave up her signature braid. That's why many people don't think it looks like Nynaeve—the braid is the main thing that would identify her as Nynaeve to the readers.
The loose light hair makes the woman on the cover look more like Alivia, who many fans believe is the woman in yellow. So I'm still of the opinion that Whelan did not do a good job with Nynaeve if longtime fans don't even recognize her. I think it's a beautiful cover, but as a reader, the main thing I care about is seeing the characters—who we have been reading about for twenty years—done right, not so much whether the cave looks realistic or happens to symbolize the Dark One spying on Rand. So it's disappointing that Nynaeve ended up virtually unrecognizable. She doesn't even wear yellow dresses in the books, despite being Yellow Ajah (she makes a point of wearing green or blue since that's what Lan likes), so that's not something that makes the woman's identity apparent either.
If you don't mind me asking (not trying to be rude here, it just strikes me as a bit strange), why did Whelan rely on fans to check his work instead of Team Jordan? I'm assuming you work for Tor, but you refer to yourself as a reader who hasn't read the book. To what extent were Brandon Sanderson and Team Jordan involved with the creative process behind this cover?
MRJackson@223

I was just one of the people helping with the details. Obviously Michael had Irene Gallo's art direction and was in contact with editors including Harriet.
Michael's wife Audrey usually serves as his sounding board, but she hadn't read the books. (For the record, I'm not affiliated with TOR. I've worked with Michael since the mid 90s, primarily on his website.) I'm a WoT fan and that's the kind of feedback Michael was looking for... someone he knew who had read the previous thirteen books.
Michael and I did discuss Nynaeve's dress color. I mentioned that she catered to Lan's color preference of green and blue. The yellow of her Ajah usually came in slashes of color, accents if I recall correctly.
Like I said, I haven't read the manuscript for A Memory of Light and Michael couldn't talk about it. But I distinctly recall Nynaeve taking pride in being a true Aes Sedai finally. Going into the Last Battle, I don't think it's a stretch that she would choose yellow. I suppose we'll have to RAFO on that.
In the background information I provided, I described Nynaeve's hair color as darker brown and referenced previous covers (among them the Melanie Delon's cover for A Crown of Swords that drew criticism for being too red).
I'd have to ask him why he chose lighter highlights. Just my speculation here, but Callandor is a light source. There's also illumination from the eclipse filtering in from the mouth of the cave to consider.
Michael got the length of Nynaeve's hair right, and this isn't simply opinion. Hopefully Brandon or Harriet will confirm at some point that her shoulder length hair was too short to braid.
Interestingly, Michael and I spoke about the challenge of pulling character descriptions from the text. If you're familiar with his illustration, he's known as a stickler for details. But it isn't always easy to translate text literally, especially when Jordan and Sanderson contradict in their description.
In correspondence, Michael wrote,
Michael Whelan

"Major characters are described as diminutive in size, yet 'commanding' in presence. Faces are youthful, yet ageless. Or young but having eyes full of wisdom of the ages. Rand is tall and manly, yet has an almost "feminine" beauty in his eyes or mouth. It's a bit confusing how one is supposed to render such conflicting elements."
MRJackson

Honestly, I don't mind the nitpicking. Criticism comes with the territory. My point in responding is to state that Michael was mindful of details here. There's evidence of it in the painting. I can tell you that he had Moiraine's kesiera and Nynaeve's ki'sain accounted for before I even spoke to him.
On a personal note, I had the privilege of meeting Robert Jordan before a signing on the Knife of Dreams tour. One of the things we talked about was the cover art for the series. I think Mr. Jordan would be pleased with this one. Obviously Harriet was when she said, "that is the Rand I have waited to see for twenty years."
analiese@224

Firstly, thank you very much for the thorough answer. It answered many of my questions, and it was also interesting to hear more about the creative process behind the cover.
[Nynaeve's hair] got singed off "a handspan below her shoulders" (Towers of Midnight ch 20), and she wore a shoulder-length braid in every scene she was in after the Aes Sedai testing. That's why it seemed odd for her signature braid to be missing on the cover. I don't really care about the dress or even much about the hair color, but Nynaeve isn't Nynaeve without her braid—it's part of who she is. It's like Mat showing up without his hat and ashandarei. And the ki'sain is too small to be visible, so it doesn't do anything to make the woman on the cover look more like Nynaeve.
I also wish Nynaeve and Moiraine hadn't been delegated to the background/back cover—since they're going to be linked with him, they deserve to stand at his side. But that's not an error, just something I wish were different.
However, while the cover isn't what I hoped for, I understand and deeply appreciate that you and Whelan both worked incredibly hard on it, and Whelan remains one of my favorite illustrators. I think he did a wonderful job with Rand.
MRJackson@228

I appreciate the sentiment but Michael did the actual work. He pushed his calendar aside this spring to make the cover happen. I was just support. But I will admit it took a lot of restraint on my part not to inundate him with questions that I knew he couldn't answer, so there is that.
As readers, we all have so much invested in this series that I completely understand what you're saying. I love Brandon's work, but I felt Towers of Midnight was a bit of a letdown, especially the resolution with Moiraine.
Moiraine has always been a favorite of mine. I would have liked to see her on the front cover as well. Thankfully Dan Dos Santos gave us that in his brilliant cover for The Fires of Heaven.
Wetlandernw@227

I think MRJackson & Mr. Whelan made a very good point, in that we have not yet read this book. By the time this scene happens, we may see several other events that make sense of the seeming discrepancies. Specifically, there are only two scenes after Nynaeve's testing which mention her braid, and in both cases it is specifically noted that it is too short and she finds it quite annoying. Quite possibly she'll meet up with Lan and find out that he likes it loose, or she'll simply decide that it's too irritating to fuss with a too-short braid, and we'll see her with loose hair in several scenes before this.
Someone was bothered earlier by the missing jewelry—but now we know that she specifically and deliberately removed the jewelry before this scene, probably so that someone else could use them. (That's what happened during the Cleansing; why not here as well?) Seems to me that we should make the assumption that the same kind of thing might happen with The Braid, instead of insisting that she should look like she did in the previous book, and claiming any discrepancies as mistakes. Such claims are not only rude, they are unfounded. Once the book is out and we've read the whole thing, we might have grounds for nitpicking; until then, not so much.
MRJackson—Thank you for your contributions, both to this thread and to Mr. Whelan.
MRJackson@230 (9 May 2012)

Glad to be of help. Maybe someday we'll find closure in the great braid debate...
Seriously though, Michael painted Nynaeve's hair at that length (without a braid) for a reason. I wasn't trying to sidestep debate. I was expressing certainty. Michael was aware that the braid was an identifying feature of her character. The painting turned out the way it did through a long process that involved editorial input. I'll leave it at that.
I look at it this way (and this is my opinion)... Nynaeve has grown enormously through the books. She was always uniquely powerful, but it took time for her to grow into that power. More so, it took a dozen books to accept herself and decide who she wanted to be.
Nynaeve worked through enormous difficulty to channel reliably. Remember how she used to tug on that braid? It really was a symbol of who she used to be. Kind of fitting that the symbol is gone.
Old habits die hard, of course, but she isn't that girl tugging on her braid any more. She's a woman who fought to gain acceptance as an Aes Sedai, and she's going to stand at Rand side to face the Dark One. It's impressive how far she's come as a character.
analiese@

The Fires of Heaven ebook cover was definitely one of the best, though there were a few things the artist got wrong (Moiraine does not have blue eyes). The New Spring cover was great too, especially Lan. It's mostly Nynaeve who has suffered bad luck with the ebook covers. There's A Crown of Swords where she got red hair and Lan looked like an underwater zombie, Winter's Heart where she didn't appear at all despite being linked with Rand for the Cleansing, The Path of Daggers where she got a Saldaean nose and Elayne looked suspiciously like Jean Grey...
I think much of my disappointment with the A Memory of Light cover stems from the fact that there's already an earlier cover (Winter's Heart) where Rand claimed the stage and his female linking partner was left out. "Hero poses manfully brandishing some kind of phallic object" is a pretty tired concept, especially on WoT covers. Rand does the same on Sweet's The Dragon Reborn and The Path of Daggers, the ebook covers for The Dragon Reborn, Winter's Heart, Knife of Dreams... Winter's Heart is probably the worst offender, if you look at the placement of the Choedan Kal.
Sweet's A Memory of Light cover was a welcome break from that—I'm not usually a fan of Sweet's covers, but I liked that he gave Elayne, Min, and Aviendha a prominent role and added some emotion to the cover. So I really would have liked to see something different on the final cover, like Rand having the two women from the Callandor circle at his side. Here, Nynaeve and Moiraine are present, but only in the background, and not at all on the ebook cover.
MRJackson@236

The only female lead who held the cover spotlight on par with the men was Moiraine, and that is a shame.
There was definitely opportunity to feature Nynaeve linked with Rand on Winter's Heart. Despite the hair, I liked Nynaeve on the cover of A Crown of Swords. Lan not so much. The Path of Daggers was another miss, mostly because the colors were a distraction. I thought I was looking at an X-Men cover. Even if that was intentional, it didn't work for me.
I can only assume Rand was intended to stand at center stage alone on the last cover, but I think what you suggest would have been great too. Moiraine and Nynaeve definitely earned their place at Rand's side on the front.
ViciousCircle@264

That was a beautiful description of why Nynaeve is one of the most compelling characters in the series. She and Moiraine kept me invested during some dark years of almost giving up on WOT. I always hoped they would be the other Callandor channelers, as I could not imagine Rand putting himself in such a vulnerable position with anyone else. Aviendha, Min and Elayne included, though I do love Aviendha! So thank you for shedding light on why some things are portrayed as they are on this excellent new cover. Just don't think that it will put a dent in the debate.
MRJackson@266

Thanks. I feel much the same way about those characters, and I'm sure the debate will keep going on well after the publication of A Memory of Light.

Might as well stick in link to the full hi res cover while we're discussing it.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120522141339/wot/images/c/c9/AMoL_full_cover.jpg

 

[Aulrick Vendour]

I don't get it... In the cover art, Nynaeve is wearing earings... Why do they say she removed all of her jewels?

 

[Axis m'Troutilas]

They mean her paralis-net.

 

[Aulrick Vendour]

What good would THAT do her against the DO?
I find it makes perfect sense that the ONLY thing they'll be taking is Calandor (because of the prophecy) and the dagger (for obviouse reasons).
What I really liked is how they portraited the cave in this picture. It really DOES look like teeth just about to close on him :P

 

[Axis m'Troutilas]

It's probably not about what good it would do her, its probably about what good it would do someone else.

She did pretty much the same thing in Winters Heart remember, she handed out the ter'angreal to put to use seeing as she wouldn't be needing them.

Prob same thing here.

Or it could be for a totally different reason, but that makes the most sense to me.