The trap I never expected Jordan(son) to step into! [SPOILERS!]

Discussion in 'Wheel of Time Discussion - Books 1-14' started by Stephen Lightheart, Jan 12, 2013.

  1. Laia Caeren

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    In this sense, I believe this goes in line with everyone saying gentling/severing couldn't be Healed. Nynaeve got right down to it but it did take quite a bit of thought and moments and pages and chapters (even books?). I feel lots of the action in this book is quite fast (obviously) with things happening at light-speed by WoT standards (Perrin crying, sleeping, dreaming, finding Faile, anyone?).

    I think this goes in the same line but in a fast forward mode. Maybe with 1 or 2 more books, this could have had more "screen" time?

    What are your thoughts?
     
  2. AnAnonymousWOTFan

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    With one or two more books, we all would have crucified Tor.
     
  3. Axis m'Troutilas

    Axis m'Troutilas Gaidin

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    The problem is Harriet either can't edit, or is too soft to give RJ the hard word and take the red pen to his waffle.

    I mean there is one passage in (CoT) that jumps out to me in particular.


    Would you just look at that block of text about washing some bloody silk, nearly 300 words of pure waffle that should have been removed.


    Removing things like that would have had these books finished years ago, and still left time to cover things in depth and not miss things out.
     
  4. Matriz Ca'zon

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    I have to agree with you Axis. It's text like that, that takes up too much of our time and slows down the reading. RJ is a genius at writing and will always be one of my favorites if not THE favorite author. He gives you all the little details, but some of it like that text is pretty much worthless and doesn't add to the story imho.
     
  5. Owin al'Kef

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    I also agree. I've heard jokes that you can read every third page and not miss a thing plot-wise, which is pretty close to true with all the details Jordan adds in. Despite this, he's still one of my all-time favorite authors.
     
  6. Aulrick Vendour

    Aulrick Vendour Gaidin

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    Well technicaly cutting all those things during the edit process wouldn't shorten the writing process AT ALL, since it was already writen. It might not even shortsn the editing process :look
     
  7. Morrighan Daghdera

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    Ah, you & that text, Axis. *sigh* I rather enjoyed reading passages, even that one, that showed how Faile & Alliandre learned to respect the Aiel. After all, Faile eventually trusted the Aiel Dreamwalkers about Masema & slit his throat when needed. Would she have had the necessary respect for the culture to do so without first having to live up to their standards of caring for something as simple as fabric? :arch
     
  8. AnAnonymousWOTFan

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    300 words are a lot of words to describe that process.
     
  9. Raeviendha al'Toma

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    That's one of the things I really like about these books though.... the descriptive passages make me "see" what is going on and actually experience in my mind what's going on. It may be wordy, but I love the descriptions of the clothes, the situations, the sights and sounds, everything.
     
  10. Morrighan Daghdera

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    Thank you, Raeviendha. :fistbump 300 words does not seem like much in the grand scheme of things of learning to respect other cultures, imo.
     
  11. Raeviendha al'Toma

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    I've got your back Morrighan Sedai! :hug
     
  12. Eluial Aldaran

    Eluial Aldaran A real gaydin Aes Sedai

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    Eh, I agree with Axis Gaidin. Whether or not that particular passage should have been included can be debated til the cows come home, but in general RJ included way too much bloat in the books. There's probably at least 1-2 books worth of extra stuff littered all throughout the series (I'm looking at you, Perrin/Faile/Shaido story arc).

    I mean, there's a fine line between not enough fluff -- where the story just ends up being a series of events and nothing more -- and too much fluff, where everything seems very dragged out and Dickensian (paid by installments, anyone?). I think RJ always erred on the side of too much.
     
  13. Rhandhal al'Deez

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    Hell, CoS through CoT could likely have been squeezed into two books, and we would have missed nothing of importance.
     
  14. Ninya Evoneigh

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    I actually think CoS and PoD should be separate, but WH, CoT, and even KoD could have been condensed into one easily.
     
  15. Rhandhal al'Deez

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    Not much happened in CoS and PoD, but KoD had a bunch of stuff going on.

    In my opinion, of course, which is no more or less valid than your own. :)
     
  16. Iosef al'Shindel

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    I was annoyed by it at first but I'm pleased by how it all worked out. I just wish it didn't result in her dying, I didn't see that coming.
     
  17. Mattrim al'Korin

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    Since she was the one who rediscovered the making of cuendillar, and was the best at it, it makes sense that she would be the one to put the pieces together.
     
  18. Mattrim al'Korin

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    Totally agree with you! Its fun and good mental exercise to have to meditate and be forced to reread the books in order to put these things together.
     
  19. Kalez al'Xael

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    Yes, that whole thing felt really odd to me. The entire time it I was reading that part, I was like "this is out of place. since when do weaves have an opposite?" It felt totally NOT Jordan. There are a few times when Sanderson sticks out like a sore thumb in the books he wrote, and this is one of them. It was sudden, brief, and just wrong.

    BUT, I did expect something like this from the moment the black cracks started appearing, but I thought it would be some sort of new Healing. Just the way it came about was really off-putting.
     
  20. rmmateus

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    Even though Egwene's death was really hurtful, I have to agree that it was also beautiful. Her finding of The Flame of Tar Valon was pure instinct and it was just the opposite of Balefire. There is always the opposite of something. And Balefire, we could see it as evil (since they were the ones to use it during the battle) is the opposite of Egwene's new weave. Light always penetrates darkness (this is one of the main ideas in Transcendentalism) and that was what happened.