The Kingkiller Chronicle (Rothfuss)

Discussion in 'Non-WOT - Literature and Fiction' started by Eluial Aldaran, May 22, 2013.

  1. Belgareth Kiarc

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    I reread the 2 books on my recent trip to Japan. I think they are well written and like Lenore I think some of my interest is because of my musical background. Really easy to get into and also easy to read for long periods.
    My only :facepalm moment?
    Yet another 'secret' hand language?! Eddings with the Drasnian secret language, Jordan with the Maiden hand talk and now the signs of the Adem. I'm almost getting bored of that being used as a concept now.
     
  2. Eluial Aldaran

    Eluial Aldaran A real gaydin Aes Sedai

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    But... that's only 3 series that you can name off the top of your head that do it. Many other tropes have been abused much worse than that. Plus, it's one that makes a lot of sense. You have some group of people who need a way to communicate silently and efficiently. Hence, sign language. However, said group doesn't want anyone in the world to be able to know what they're saying for tactical reasons. Hence, secret.

    There are certainly a lot of aspects of fantasy (and fiction in general) that are overdone, but it's really difficult (if not impossible) to be original anymore when it comes to fiction. Everyone borrows/steals from others.
     
  3. Belgareth Kiarc

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    I don't disagree with you.
    I'm in the military, we use hand signals for all sorts of things for efficiency and secrecy. I merely stated that I'm almost bored of it. I'd like to see some inventiveness on creating something new, that's all. Especially when (and this occurs in all 3 series I mentioned) the hand language is used in scenarios that are allegedly/virtually pitch black.
     
  4. Eluial Aldaran

    Eluial Aldaran A real gaydin Aes Sedai

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    Aha. And yeah, :lol at that last bit. I noticed that, too.
     
  5. Arecias Dezell

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    So are the seven words

    to make a woman fall in love with you,"I was just wondering why you're here." I don't understand, is it meant to be a conversation starter? Do those words apply for just Kvothe, or are the words meant to apply for any woman in general?
     
  6. Abhorsen Veriari

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    I don't think it's like that. I think it's implied like in the games. It's the seven perfect words at the perfect time that will do it. There's no specific right rule.
     
  7. Naomi al'Moranwin

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    There are other instances of 7 words that are called out. I thought it was situational too.
     
  8. Jodea Kegan

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    It being situational would make sense.
     
  9. Ilverin Matriam

    Ilverin Matriam Aes Sedai Outreach Activities Coordinator Head of the Gray Ajah Historian Tower Gatekeeper

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    I read those books this year :D It was one of the few times that I was very interested and couldn't stop reading. Though there were some very slow moments in both books, which were kinda boring for me.

    I love the time that Kvothe spends in the university and with the Adem. I hate it when he's with the Mael :x so boring... But I think the Adem sign language was interesting, and their culture also seems interesting, though I would never live like that - I love to laugh :p
    I hate it in the beggining at the university, how Kvothe gets angry so fast and makes stupid mistakes, like with Ambrose and Hemme. :facepalm I am sooo sick of Denna aswell, like srsly, get a grip, girl!
    I love it that Sim and Fela got together in book2 :D They are so cute together ^^ Also this Devi girl seems awesome, Kvothe should probably hook up her instead :p

    I kinda want it to be made in TV series though. I think there isn't much to go wrong, apart from the cast probably :cheese
     
  10. Jodea Kegan

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    well I think if they make it a series it would diverge from the books dramatically. They would have to skip the part when he is older all together and just do it as a young adventurer fantasy, like they did with the The Legend of the Seeker series... which was much better than the books.
     
  11. Sabriane Diamodred

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    I'm super excited about book 3. I want to know more about the Chandrian!
     
  12. Sean Dragoran

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    So I haven't seen this theory bandied about yet:

    Who else believes that Meluan (the Maers new wife) is Kvothes Aunt?
     
  13. Sabriane Diamodred

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    Yurp, there's
    a song Kvothe mentions that his dad wrote about his mum when at the end he says not tally a lot less (about K's mum)... which sounds like natalia lackless

    Rothfuss is going to be at LonCon woop!
     
  14. Cursor Wrathwind

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    About Kvothe's being a Mary Sue, I have two words: Unreliable Narrator.

    After all, all of the Mary Sue qualities Kvothe has--his intelligence, fighting ability, sexual prowess, gifts at sympathy, we only ever see in Kvothe is telling himself in universe. Sure, there are lots of stories and legends about him in the world, but he started most of them himself and even admits multiple times how he deliberately exaggerated things he did to increase his reputation. There seems to be an assumption that he's not doing that with Chronicler...but why? Outside of his own narrative, we've only concretely seen him a.) get his ass utterly kicked by the two soldiers and b.) fail to really do any sympathy. Yeah, he killed the scrael, but it nearly killed him and that could have been blind luck. The only real reason for thinking that Kvote isn't just lying out his ass in the telling is Bast's seeming devotion to him, but since we don't know when Bast and Kvothe got together, we don't know if all of his faith doesn't originate in the tales as well.

    Anyway, for me it's an ok series. I love the magic system, like Rothfuss' writing, but most of the characters really don't draw me in, not much stands out about the world and, key, the narrative for me doesn't seem to be building to anything going anywhere.

    We know by the present he hasn't found the Chandrian, and so we've had two books of him basically doing a little of this, a little of that, but ultimately not really advancing the plot at all. He learns a tiny bit about them in the first book, and that's treated like the big climax, which for me was a huge letdown. His battle with Cinder in the second was a bit better of a climactic point...except it wasn't, since the book then went on much longer, taking him to the Adema, having his falling out of favor because of his race, returning to University and doing a bunch more stuff there, etc. At this point I've stopped talking about it as any sort of fantasy epic and starting thinking of it more like a fantasy picaresque tale, which is somewhat appropriate I feel given the framing device and it is admittedly a farely rarely used concept in modern times.
     
  15. Sabriane Diamodred

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    I kinda like the unreliable narrator bit - once you get behind the fact that he's intentionally an unreliable narrator it's pretty fun :)
     
  16. Toral Delvar

    Toral Delvar Archivist Gaidin

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    My three year old daughter loves the story of theboy where hisbelly button should be and has me tell it her pretty much every week
    "Daddy, I want you to tell me about the boy"
    "What boy Amelia?"
    "The boy with the screw"
     
  17. Sabriane Diamodred

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    ha! I did laugh :D
     
  18. Lythe al'Dovin

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    I've only read the first book, but really enjoyed it! I will read also the second, and any others that will be published
     
  19. Elyss Koh'inor

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    I enjoyed the first two books, though I don't think they'll take the place of being a favorite books series. I enjoyed Rothfuss' poetic style and the way the books themselves were set up.
     
  20. Carina al'Sim

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    ^^^ The story isn't amazing, but the style is GREAT. I especially liked Slow Regard of Silent Things, it was very fun to read despite lacking much of a plot.