Sword of Truth vs Wheel of Time

Discussion in 'Non-WOT - Literature and Fiction' started by Phaedra Lampros, Jun 23, 2014.

  1. Phaedra Lampros

    Phaedra Lampros

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    The first large series that I ever listened to on audio book was called the Sword of Truth series by Terry Goodkind. I thought over all that it was a good series and I enjoyed listening to it. It had magic, human vs magic creatures, dark one vs creator, magic rules over human pretty much, fighting, sex, and gore. Everything that you need in a great fantasy novel. Here are a few things that I really enjoyed about the book:
    I really enjoyed Richard Rahl's journey into his wizard powers, and how he came to know his grandfather on his mothers side. My favorite magical creatures in the books were the Mord Sith, they were creatures that could capture your magic and use it against you to control/cause pain. These were some bad mama jamas :) I loved reading about different types of wizards and their magics. I liked the Sisters of the Light who lived at the Palace of the Profits ... until I found how how bad their controlling mechanism was for young wizards in training, the radahan.
    I could talk forever about this book because again I enjoyed it.

    However the next series that I read was the Wheel of Time and I believe that it blew the Sword of Truth out of the water. I also found many similarities between these books. It was a different story line, yes. However why do I keep linking the WOT with the SOT when I am reading them? Its almost too much. I am going to put the rest in spoiler so I do not ruin the books for people.
    The first similarity is the magic system, especially the Sisters of the Light compared to the Aes Sedai. The Sisters of the Light are a Dominate group, that have influence on rulers of the land. There is one supreme ruler of the Sisters of the Light who is called the Prelate which is much like the Amyrlins in the WOT. Unlike the WOT the Sisters of the Light's main job is to "train" wizards (stealing them from their families, stick them in a collar that produces pain and keeps them from using magic when undesired). The only similarity here to the Aes Sedai is the fact that the Red Adjah would collar male channelers that would allow them to control the mans power until they can gentle him at the White Tower. After the Rhand cleansed the source, then the Red Adjah wanted to bond them and help "guide" them. The idea that wizards and male channelers need to be controlled in order to protect them and the public was a common thread in both series. The radahan was exactly like the collar/chain that the sul'damuse use to control their damane. Both of these collar type items would limit the use of the magic of the wearer and it gave others the ability to control them. There are Sisters of the Dark like there is the Black Adjah. They both serve the "Dark/Evil one". Their main job is to bring this supreme evil beings wishes come to pass.
    I am sure that if I listen to the books again I will find more similarities between the two book series. I did read the Sword of Truth over 5 years ago so I am not remembering everything exactly. I am thinking about re-listening to them. I will have to skip a few of the really gory books because I really do not like reading about rape all the time. If I wanted to read that then I would pick up an SVU type of book :D.

    I very well could be nit picking. But I did pick these similarities up as soon as I read the first couple of books in the WOT series. The Eye of the World was published 5 years before the Wizards First rule. I have to say those two books are nothing the same but as the magic system is introduced that's when I am seeing the most similarities. I just was disappointing when I started seeing those because I felt like some of Jordans book was stolen :( BUT then again how many other ways can you have a woman centered magic system... idk


    What do you all think?
     
  2. Axis m'Troutilas

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    The "similarities" come up from time to time.

    Basically I think people are wrong, they are only similar in the most superficial of ways.

    People can bang on about how Sisters of the Light are like Aes Sedai, who are like Bene Gesserit etc etc etc.

    but when it comes right down to it, the plots are completely different.


    Which is the most important thing, far more important than whether two series have a group soley of women.

    There is no "stealing of ideas" being done here by either author.
     
  3. Phaedra Lampros

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    Thanks for your thoughts Axis Gaidin :) Like I said I really enjoy both books. This really is the first time I have encountered similarities like that in books. Which is why I asked about it. :)
     
  4. Kallarn Lo'Vosh

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    Yes there are similarities but as Axis said they are pretty generic fantasy similarities. I enjoy both series but id say they are otherwise very different in how they use the similar groups.

    And dont forget Richard Rahl is a very special person...

    Repeat 50000000000 times :p (and thats just in the first book!)

    Im still utterly dissappointed by the new Richard and Kahlen series, although the SoT got a bit preachy at times it was fun to read and swept you along in the epic story and I really liked law of nines. The first confessor had good moments but was too much of a setup to the new series rather than its own tale
     
  5. Phaedra Lampros

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    Kallarn are you talking about the Legend of the Seeker on television? I watched a few of the episodes on television but was not impressed so I did not watch it anymore. I maybe mistaken on this because it has been a long time since I have seen the few shows that I did. Wasn't there more than one confessor on the show? I think that is why I didn't watch it because I thought it would veer from the books too much. I am definitely re-thinking about listening to the SoT audio books again once I finish re-listening to A Memory of Light :)
     
  6. Kallarn Lo'Vosh

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    No i was talking about the new books, the omen machine, the third kingdom (or something) and the prequel to the the legend of Magda Searus.

    I only saw one episode of the TV show and I wasn't impressed, all heaving bosoms and no story.
     
  7. Jodea Kegan

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    The tv series was more enjoyable than the books imo. I found the books to be repetitive and too focused on sexual violence.

    The books do have some similarities, and at first many people accused Goodkind of taking ideas from the WoT series. I don't think that was the case, and even if it were Goodkind is not half the writer that Jordan was so it wouldn't matter. In the end a fantasy book is going to have similarities, just like mysteries have them, and romances have them, and so do westerns, ect.
     
  8. Phaedra Lampros

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    Jodea Sedai I skipped certain parts of some books and I skipped the entire book Blood of the Fold on my re-read simply because they seemed to be focused on nothing but the sexual violence. I am OK reading it here and there but when over half of the book is talking about rape and slaughtering men, women and children is too much for me. I like the story line of particular characters and watching them grow.

    I really think the sexual violence of the book keeps me from liking it as much as the Wheel of Time. The story would have been just as good without all that I think.
     
  9. Zethryanya Al'qiara

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    I agree that there are similarities, but not in the plot. I also agree that the Seeker show was not worth watching!! I was so excited for it, too, when I first heard of it. What a bummer.
     
  10. Aran Cherubim

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    Actually, Dune and Wheel of Time have some pretty interesting similarities. Personally I think that's cool, but some people get way too worked up over it. Apparently.

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    I read the first SoT book. It was okay, but it didn't draw me in like WoT. There were some parts that just felt completely disconnected from how actual humans act (isn't there a part where someone wants to outlaw fire or some ridiculous like that?). And then there were parts that just seemed stupid (like when Richard teaches a people who live in a rainy area how to build better roofs. You'd think they'd bloody know how to build better roofs than him.) And I wasn't crazy about the magic system either.

    Anyway, I like the Mord Sith sequence, for whatever reason, I remember it feeling pretty intense at the time. And the concept of the Wizard's First Rule and such. But all in all the world didn't drag me in. It's not bad, I just had other books I wanted to read.
     
  11. Toral Delvar

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    The TV series also cut out Goodkind's politics, which meant it lacked the feeling of smug self satisfaction and hugely inflated sense of its own worth
    I think the reason people wanted to outlaw fire is that they didn't understand that unrestrained capitalism and letting the market rule without government interference is the only way to go. Same with Richard teaching people how to build roofs. They hadn't lived in a cutthroat system where the winner rises to the top, so had no creativity or desire to improve their lives
     
  12. Anika Forsyn

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    Omg I cannot express to you amazing people how much I loathe the sot series. I enjoyed the first book as a stand alone, but each subsequent book just spiraled deeper and deeper into narcissism and holier than thou righteousness. Not sure how Richard was still alive after umpteen books of spewing crap.

    to me, the WoT, especially book one, is much more similar to the lord of the rings, with trollocs sort of like Orcs, myrrdrahl like the nazgul, a fellowship on a mission...

    and as we learn more about Andor, RJ's love of Arturian legend comes out.
     
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    Yep, I agree with the previous speaker, except that I could enjoy the books. I read them all, and found the Ayn Rand preachings quite hilarious. I think what got me through really was an initial crush in Kahlan. Yep.
    I don't think WoT and SoT are similar, except the obvious superficial parts. The whole tone is different in the two books. Goodkind wants to preach, Jordan wants to tell a great story. It felt like SoT was just a vessel for politic opinions Goodkind felt he had to voice, but he did it quite well. Imo.
     
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    If you told him that, he'd probably say it was because you aren't smart enough to understand it properly.
    He has a hugely overinflated sense of his own ability
     
  15. Slynese

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    I noticed the similarities between the two series, but I prefer wheel of time to sword of truth.
    Sword of truth is filled with senseless violence and boring plot.
    When I was younger, I actually like sword of truth.
    But now on rereading it, I find it a waste of time and had stopped rereading it.
     
  16. Cahalan Sothron

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    Honestly, my biggest beef with SoT was that I couldn't figure out who the audience was meant to be. The relationship between Richard and Kahlan felt like it was more aimed at a "Twilight" aged crowd. But then it would flip over into the violence portions of the series, and it was clearly aimed for an adult audience. I could never quite piece together how those two things fit together. I might have been able to make it further into the series without the (what felt to me to be) juvenile romance piece of the plot. That it managed to be more bubble-gum than WoT's romantic plotlines just wasn't a positive for me.

    I don't think I got far enough into the series to get too innundated with the political stuff, which is probably good. I don't mind some politics in my books (I loved the Dune series, for one) but if it's heavy-handed, not so much.
     
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    This. As much as I try and separate the artist from the work, in my mind the whole series is tarnished by the attitude of its author so I can no longer judge it based on its own merits.

    I believe I found the first novel passably entertaining and grew distracted in the second or third, but it's been a fairly long time.
     
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    I loathed the SoT TV series. For one thing: Kalan was the Mother Confessor. The first time some villager said, "Who is she?" I howled at the screen. White dress, Long hair... the Mother Confessor! Everyone knew her and most would draw back. Sorry, end rant. I loved the books. Temple of the Winds was my favorite one. They did get a little preachy, but were still very enjoyable.
     
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    I really disliked the Sword of Truth. I read the first book ( It took everything I had to get through it), and then I was done... :)
     
  20. Anika Forsyn

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    Somewhere I heard he contracted for MORE BOOKS :x What a waste of a perfectly good tree.