So... How do they know about Cuendillar?

Discussion in 'Wheel of Time Discussion - Books 1-14' started by Aulrick Vendour, May 12, 2014.

  1. Aulrick Vendour

    Aulrick Vendour Gaidin

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    We heard in the series that Cuendillar is not only indestructable, but that it's believed that things meant to hurt it make it stronger... My question is how do they know that? If it's indestructable, how do they know if it got stronger or not, since they have nothing that destroyed it and now doesn't... Can they use one Cuendillar object to test another? I doubt anyone would do that since they're so rare and expensive, so how would they know?
     
  2. Mattrim al'Korin

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    I'm assuming they are referring to using the one power on cuendillar. If you were channeling into it, I would imagine you would feel the push-back and the strain of directing more into it.
     
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    Well considering that the weaves have been rediscovered, I think their value may go down. So, the answers to some of your questions may never be known, unless explained New Spring. :look
     
  4. Aulrick Vendour

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    Was this ever described in the books? I thought the weaves would simply do nothing, I don't think there's a pushback of sorts...
     
  5. Mattrim al'Korin

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    Honestly, I don't remember if he described it. I'm just combining imagination with logic lol.

    Ooh I had an interesting idea. Cuendillar Battle Armor :evil
     
  6. Axis m'Troutilas

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    Cuendillar armor is certainly possible, although tricky.

    You have to make each part separately and then lash them together usually.

    Anything touching each other fuses together so you have to be quite clever with it, but most armor is possible depending on how you go about it.

    Platemail, scalemail, full plate suit, helms or shields should all work pretty well, chainmail wouldn't be worth the effort involving holding the rings apart while changing each ring individually. Bleh to that.
     
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    Wow Cuendillar shield could stop Balefire, right? Would have made sense to have those in the armories.
     
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    How much does Cuendillar weigh? Or does size define the weight? It would be nice if it was lighter than steel which would make the armor less cumbersome.
     
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    Yeah maybe a +3/+3 modifier :lol
     
  10. Axis m'Troutilas

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    Should be reasonably similar to the iron its made from I assume, and it can be made thinner too, so it should theoretically be lighter than than an equivalent steel armor.

    The interesting thing to me, is how does cuendillar react when struck, and unfortunately there is precious little evidence on this, if say you had a cuendillar helmet and you bashed someone wearing it would the cuendillar transmit the concussive force through to the wearer, or would it absorb the force into itself?

    I mean we know quoted for it to "absorb any force attempting to break it, including the One Power"

    There's a lot of different ways that could play out, be worth experimenting on if you had a decent source of iron.
     
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    Do you necessarily need a metal skeleton to make cuendillar? What if the armor pieces were made from something else that's lighter, and possibly thinner? That's what I would want to test. The Salidar AS were making stuff into cuendillar with the objects sitting on a table. That implies that cloth pieces of clothing could be formed to a person's physique and transformed without harming the person.
     
  12. Axis m'Troutilas

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    At this point the only material capable of being transformed by Egwene's weave is iron specifically.

    Now I hesitate to rule out the possibility of using another base source with a different weave as there's always the "you never know" factor with new weaves and so on.


    So I'll just say under currently observed situations, the only currently producible cuendillar needs a iron start point.
     
  13. Aulrick Vendour

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    Axis - is there an answer to my original question?
     
  14. Axis m'Troutilas

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    As far as I can tell its not explained anywhere, its seems to be informed knowledge that the One Power (even balefire) reinforces the cuendillar.

    Moiraine just kind of plonks the info out there


    Possibly some kind of knowledge kept inside the tower perhaps, but it doesn't seem to be explicit anywhere that I can find.

    Certainly RJ seems to respond that it is indeed the case when asked about Cuendillar at various points, although he never did talk much about it other than RAFO's.

    The interesting thing is the AoL Aes Sedai seem to restrict its usage. Guess they didn't want landfill filling up with bits of old heartstone rubbish that had gone out of fashion.
     
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    That's exactly what I was thinking. In a world where time is circular, Cuendillar seems to be the only exception. Since it cannot be destroyed, it basically just stays there turning after turning. This makes things interesting, since the exact same objects can be used time and time again as the wheel turns.
     
  16. Almira ni'Caldazare

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    I have to agree with Axis: the Aes sedai must have had information on Cuendillar in the Tower. The Aes sedai have been studying Cuendillar because of its connection with Prophesy. They would have found every scrap of information that mentioned the sword.
     
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    Which sword is that, Almira?
     
  18. Axis m'Troutilas

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    The only connection to prophesy for cuendillar that jumps to mind are the seals.
     
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    I thought that callandor, the sword that's not a sword, was made out of cuendillar. I may be remembering wrong...
    Axis's idea is still good. There were items made from cuendillar to study and write about.
     
  20. Axis m'Troutilas

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    It wouldn't seem that it is no.

    The description is all wrong for a start

    not really the milky white of cuendillar.

    Not that we know what Callandor is actually made of, could be something similar I guess.