Question about Moiraine.

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  1. Trystyne Telyan

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    "About" Can anyone edit that for me, please?

    Moiraine left the Tower without permission and after a direct order to remain in the Tower (New Spring) to hunt for the Dragon/Rand.

    Later, in Fal Dara, (The Great Hunt) Moiraine meets up with Siuan. Siuan remarks multiple times about not hearing from Moiraine in twenty years and that the Greens and Reds want the Amyrlin to teach Moiraine some "discipline" along with desiring the return of the angreal.

    My take is that Moiraine left the Tower, shortly after being raised, to search for Rand and that she had not returned in that twenty years. I believe she took the angreal with her at that time. Moiraine also believed the Hall wanted her to take the Sun Throne. The search for Rand was paramount and so Moiraine never risked returning to the Tower for both of those reasons.

    Others have argued that "Sisters snuck back in from time to time" and that Moiraine returned to obtain the angreal and that the angreal was needed for Lan's Warder cloak.

    What say you? Did Moiriane risk returning to the Tower secretly? How did she obtain the angreal?
     
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    I think she says she has only heard from her briefly in 20 years.

    There is also a reference somewhere in the books that Lan carried Moiraine to the Tower to be Healed. I think it was Anaiya who says something about her being away too long "this time".
    So she has been back to the Tower a few times.

    I think. :cheese
     
  3. Trystyne Telyan

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    Oh, I remember than Lan carried her to be healed but I don't remember that it was to the Tower.
     
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    The reference is: "He had ridden a horse to death, then run himself nearly to death, carrying her in his arms at the last, to Anaiya for Healing" (TGH, Ch. 2), so it doesn't specify that Anaiya was in the Tower.

    Siuan says that she has had only two messages from Moiraine since she left the Tower--the first to say that she was entering the Two Rivers, the second from Caemlyn to say that she was going to Shienar. But Siuan doesn't specify if that's since the first time Moiraine left the Tower in New Spring, or since a later leave-taking.

    She must have been back at sometime to get the angreal, though, because in The Eye of the World she tells Rand: "So few remain, the Amyrlin Seat almost did not allow me to take this one. It is good for Emond's Field, and for your father, that she did give her permission" (Ch. 8).

    Though I love the idea of Moiraine sneaking in and out of the Tower and I wonder if she's done it other times.
     
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    When Siuan says that last though, it must be since Moiraine LAST left the Tower? I mean, two messages in 20 years? To the only other person who knows what you are doing?

    And now I also really want to know what on earth Moiraine did that she needed Healing? But not immediately, since Lan was able to take her a significant distance to get it :look
     
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    Interesting, isn’t it? I was inclined she hadn’t returned due to the 20 years comment. Only she and Siuan knew their plans. She would return to the Tower and not speak to Siuan?

    Did the Amyrlin Seat who allowed Moiraine to take the angreal have to be Siuan?
     
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    Maybe she didn't want to show others that Siuan knew anything about what she was doing since Siuan was stuck in the Tower, and Moiraine had to keep it hush hush because she didn't know who besides Siuan she could trust, I'm sure that even though they deny the existence of the black ajah to outsiders she knew that it was a possibility that if anyone knew what she was doing or that Siuan also knew it would put them both plus the dragon reborn in danger
     
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    Technically she could have asked the Amyrlin before Siuan, Marith Jaen, who was a Blue. She wouldn't have asked Sierin Vayu, the Amyrlin between Tamra and Marith. Sierin wanted Moiraine to become Queen of Cairhien and expected everyone to obey her, and would have been incredibly angry after Moiriane ran away the first time.

    I personally think it's most likely she would have asked Siuan. I don't know that she would have risked asking another.

    And yeah, I definitely want to know more about that encounter with Anaiya!