One power strength ranking

Discussion in 'Wheel of Time Discussion - Books 1-14' started by Vealdan Annalin, Oct 16, 2015.

  1. Vealdan Annalin

    Vealdan Annalin Gaidin

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    As you know The Wheel Time Companion is coming next month. You can find excerpt on Tor web site

    And amazon(http://www.amazon.com/The-Wheel-Time-Companion-Bestselling) allows browse parts of the book, but also you can search it.

    And you can search even in parts where you cannot browse. So I searched a bit on the strength level of channeler since one of the things I've been most curious was the one power strength ranking.

    So men and women are measured in different ways so you probably cannot compare them. Quoting a small excerpt from the book
    Obviously out of context I don't know what that 7 is. But for women you have for example 11(2) which means that the strength of someone is 11 by the new ranking and 2 by the old (what's new and old - no idea). But basically the smaller the number the more powerful the channeler is (that is both for man and women).

    Follows the ranking of some of the characters.

    The main characters

    Nynaeve 4(+9) with potential 3(+10)
    Cadsuane 5(+8)
    Elayne 8(+5)
    Egwene 8(+5)
    Aviendha 11(+2)

    Amys 13(1)
    Sorilea 57(35)

    Moiraine 13(1) after imprisonment by Eelfinn: 66(54)
    Siuan 13(1) after being stilled and Healed: 35(23).
    Leane Sharif 14(2) after being stilled and healed: 36(24)
    Elaida 13(1)
    Verin ????? (couldn't find)

    Rand ++1
    Logain ++2
    Mazrim Taim ??? ++2

    The forsaken

    Ishamael ++1
    Rahvin ++1
    Aginor ++2
    Sammael ++2
    Demandred ++2
    Balthamel ++3
    Asmodean ++3
    Be'lal ++4
    Lanfear 1(+12) as Cyndane 2(+11)
    Semirhage 1(+12)
    Mesaana 2(+11)
    Graendal 3(+10)
    Moghedien 4(+9)

    Some other

    Alivia 1(+12)

    Nesune 15(3)
    Sheriam 13(1)
    Lelaine 13(1)
    Anaiya 15(3)

    Sharina Melloy ??? (not certain here) 2(+11)
    Nicola Treehil 9(+4)

    Silviana 15(3)
    Liandrin 14(2)
    Therava 12(+1)
    Karene Nagashi (Aes Sedai) 11(+2)
    Meilyn Arganya (Aes Sedai) 10(+3)
    Viendre (Wise One) 10(+3)
    Mabriam en Shereed (ancient Aes Sedai) 9(+4)
    Someryn (Shaido Wise One) 4(+9)
     
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  2. Jordan Rayne

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    Wow, that's so interesting! I can't wait to get the book so I can read it all!
     
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    Aduiavas Ida Aes Sedai Mistress of Revels - Europe Forum Moderator

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    I hope this gets explained better in the book, because to me this is just numbers :look Especially with the new ranking and numbers in parentheses...
     
  4. Vealdan Annalin

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    I ignore the number in parentheses.

    What those mean? There are a few surprising things for me.
    Cadsuane (5) is stronger than Elayne/Egwene (8) by far, and almost as strong as Nyneave(4).
    Aviendha (11) is weaker than Elayne/Egwene though I remember from the books that their potentials was the same. I am assuming that maybe since she was not forced in her training unlike Elayne/Egwene so she is further from reaching her potential ?? (or I misread something and her number is wrong). Only Nynaeve had potential mentioned (from the little snippets I could see).

    Rahvin(++1) is on the same level as Rand and Ishamael(++1) was also surprise for me. I thought Aginor is the second most powerful forsaken (I guess he still is in a way)

    I don't know why there are ++ in front of the male's strength levels.

    I couldn't find Verin strength level although I tried all kinds of creative search phrases , which is sort of appropriate for the character :p

    Moghedien is, as I've suspected, the weakest forsaken (in the power).
     
  5. Rhed al'Tere

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    This is actually one of the articles released early.

    It explains the old/new numbers:
    And then for men:
     
  6. Vealdan Annalin

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    That's great! Thanks. I had missed that.
     
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    oh. That is great, that explains some of it :) I still don't understand men's strength, but that may come when I get used to it :look
     
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    I can't wait to read more about rankings into the Companion!
     
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    Not finished all the books yet, currently on GS, but isn't Alivia supposed to be stronger than Nyneave?
     
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    Except...the chart doesn't make total sense. Cadsuane is on there as a 5/+8, which means she was stronger than the strongest channelers known (Suian, Moiraine, Elaida) pre-WunderGirls. Maybe they just thought of her as so far above they didn't even rank her?
     
  12. Vealdan Annalin

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    She is stronger than Moiraine and co. always has been. Why would that be strange? I found a bit stranger that she is stronger than Egwene/Elayne but not impossible.
    Or do you mean that it's strange she does not fit on the old ranking system?
     
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    Aduiavas Ida Aes Sedai Mistress of Revels - Europe Forum Moderator

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    It is said somewhere that Cadsuane is just so much stronger than everyone else, some thought that she was as strong as it was possible to be :look So it is no wonder if she is above the old system. But as long as it only was one person who was up there, there was no need for a new system, then she was just an exception...
     
  14. Rhed al'Tere

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    Ah, the exception to the rule. That does make more sense.