1. Emerald ní Róhan

    Emerald ní Róhan Aes Sedai

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    :lol

    Still it is nice to have such a convenient source for information. If I want quotes about something I can just post something glaringly wrong and then wait for Axis to come along. ;)
     
  2. Axis m'Troutilas

    Axis m'Troutilas Gaidin

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    Deliberate mistakes definitely earn a trouting

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  3. Emerald ní Róhan

    Emerald ní Róhan Aes Sedai

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    I, too, can wield the fishes! :p
     
  4. Midian Venamar

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    I mean RJ is clearly the final say on things like this ... but what he says doesn't follow some of the evidence. Specifically, what's the deal with her saying that Daved Hanlon will have "more" rapes in his future? If she can see that it will be more, clearly she can see that he has them in his past.
     
  5. Axis m'Troutilas

    Axis m'Troutilas Gaidin

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    She does indeed sometimes seem to gain some kind of "overall impression" of a person from a viewing. The viewings are related to the future for sure, but there does seem to be at least some aspect of the persons past and personality about them too.

    It's almost like there are different kind of viewings, I mean there's a big difference between seeing a dark aura around Hanlon which seems to tell her he's a murderer/rapist. That's very general kind of information when say compared to a viewing around Mat of a ruby hilted dagger. In which he literally finds a ruby hilted dagger in his future.

    Same kind of thing where Min sees the sparks around the group, that's a very general thing, while say the Hawks/falcon on perrin is very specific.

    Look how she describes one viewing of Rand

    Its interesting she breaks up Images and Auras into separate items. She gets meanings always from both of them. But in someway, they are different, the auras are less specific. Logains aura of glory for instance. It's the future, but its damn vague.

    Time for a big quote block I think for reference

     
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    Emerald ní Róhan Aes Sedai

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    You know, the bit about her seeing blackness and sparks is interesting to me. If her viewings only related to the future I'm not sure why the visions would change with the proximity of the people in the group. I'm sure there's an argument that it's an indicator that they need to be working together or something, but obviously they have all had to go their separate ways to move things forward, so it doesn't make a lot of sense for that particular vision to constantly change with the presence of certain people.
     
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    Axis m'Troutilas Gaidin

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    Agreed, that's an odd one for sure.
     
  8. Aulrick Vendour

    Aulrick Vendour Gaidin

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    Well, has she ever seen something that was presumably after the Last Battle?
     
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    A few ... if you read the post just a few up from yours you can see them ... Aviendha's babies for one; presumably the dragon's fang as a sign of hope rather than hate; and more.
     
  10. Axis m'Troutilas

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    Yes she has, however there's something to bring up when discussing Min's viewings post Last Battle that I want to make sure is out there.

    They are not an indication of success in the LB.

    Min basically sees impressions of the pattern to come. If the pattern in destroyed then her viewings are nullified.

    So basically she's only capable of seeing a future in which Rand wins, however its not guaranteed for that future to actually occur.

     
  11. Emerald ní Róhan

    Emerald ní Róhan Aes Sedai

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    :blink

    I'm totally saving this thread for posterity! :lol
     
  12. Aulrick Vendour

    Aulrick Vendour Gaidin

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    Actually, I can think of another way her viewings might not come to pass...
    Balefire.
    Balefire basically takes a thread out of the pattern, before someone did something. If she sees something, but later that person is Balefired, then he might not have had a chance to do whatever it was that he supposedly did later.
    I think the basic idea is that a person's life is woven into the pattern much before he's actually alive. For example, the pattern already placed the threads for someone's children, before they are born.
    Now the thing with her vision about the three heroes can be explained by what you said earlier - if she sees the future pattern, but the pattern after the LB might still be destroyed, then perhaps her viewing is about the future, of the pattern. If the three are apart, the pattern is destroyed. If they are together, it doesn't. The way it works is like a candle. The pattern after the LB is difficult to see into, because it's not sure it'll be there. It's clouded by a fog. When you have one candle, it's hard to see. When you have 3 the pattern itself did not change, but it's easier to see now through the fog.
     
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    Emerald ní Róhan Aes Sedai

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    I think I basically get what you're saying, Aulrick, but I'm not sure it explains the changeablility of the vision based on people's proximity to each other.

    For example, once Siuan and Gareth were seen together, Min saw that they need to stay together in order to stay alive. But once she saw that vision, to the best of my knowledge, the vision didn't change if they were not in proximity with each other. I could be wrong on that.

    But the sparks thing seems to change whenever the major players are around each other. Some to a lesser extent than others.