1. Emerald ní Róhan

    Emerald ní Róhan Aes Sedai

    Joined:
    May 12, 2010
    Messages:
    2,997
    Location:
    Maryland, USA
    Sadly, I think it's true. Birgitte will be pretty up there in age by the time Gaidal is old enough for girls. 'tis a tragic situation. :(
     
  2. Kallaes Doon

    Kallaes Doon

    Joined:
    May 12, 2010
    Messages:
    36
    We know from Min that Birgitte does find him eventually.

    http://encyclopaedia-wot.org/prophecies/viewings.html
     
  3. Aulrick Vendour

    Aulrick Vendour Gaidin

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2009
    Messages:
    6,497
    Location:
    Israel
    I have a strange idea... Prolly not true...
    Maybe it's not a baby that was born, but is still in the womb?
    Can one of Rand and Elayn's babies have the soul of one of the heroes of the horn?
    That would be so cool.
     
  4. Hilwa Katir

    Hilwa Katir Aes Sedai

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2008
    Messages:
    2,041
    Location:
    Second Level of Paradise..aka Florida
    Aulrick..that would be so COOL
     
  5. Emerald ní Róhan

    Emerald ní Róhan Aes Sedai

    Joined:
    May 12, 2010
    Messages:
    2,997
    Location:
    Maryland, USA
    Hmm. That might actually fit the timeline if someone cared to work it out.

    Kallaes, that viewing isn't necessarily an indication of the future. In fact, the description seems to indicate that it connects to Birgitte's past instead.

    EDIT:

    This seems likely to refer to Thom's nephew, which would be in the past.
    This seems to refer to his heritage in general rather than any specific event (other than when the towers were destroyed, anyway), as would the image of the baby and sword.

    The Dragonmount FAQ, which is linked from the Viewings page, holds the same opinion. They need to do some updating, though.
     
  6. Kallaes Doon

    Kallaes Doon

    Joined:
    May 12, 2010
    Messages:
    36
    The problem with that interpretation is that Jordan apparently said all Min's viewings pertain to future events. Personally, I question the veracity of the claim but it is the standard argument provided as to why Min's viewing of a baby with a sword must refer to Lan's child as opposed to his own infancy.
     
  7. Emerald ní Róhan

    Emerald ní Róhan Aes Sedai

    Joined:
    May 12, 2010
    Messages:
    2,997
    Location:
    Maryland, USA
    I never heard that interpretation of Min's viewing of Lan before. I also question the veracity of that claim. Especially in the face of her viewing of Birgitte. If she's been ripped out of TAR like that, maybe she has to be reattached to the Wheel. If so, I don't know that I see that happening if she is only acting as Elayne's Warder and Captain of the Guard. Too many other people are in place to become major heroes. :cheese

    That said, Min sees more adventures than could be fit into one lifetime. So either Birgitte will have many more lifetimes of adventure ahead of her (which I am inclined to doubt) or it is what I call a "reference vision" which identifies something about who the person is, as would be the case with the vision around Lan.

    I'm going to go look at the viewings again and see if there are any others like that...
     
  8. Kallaes Doon

    Kallaes Doon

    Joined:
    May 12, 2010
    Messages:
    36
  9. Emerald ní Róhan

    Emerald ní Róhan Aes Sedai

    Joined:
    May 12, 2010
    Messages:
    2,997
    Location:
    Maryland, USA
    Naturally, I had to argue the point in that thread. :lol
     
  10. Aulrick Vendour

    Aulrick Vendour Gaidin

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2009
    Messages:
    6,497
    Location:
    Israel
    There is a thing about Min and TAR, which is problematic. We know that time is working funny in TAR. Sometimes faster, sometimes slower, etc. That means that Min's viewings can see different times in TAR, or people related to TAR or bound there in some way.
     
  11. Midian Venamar

    Midian Venamar

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2012
    Messages:
    1,232
    Location:
    Northern VA, USA
    Why do you think there's any correlation between T'A'R and Min's viewings?
     
  12. Emerald ní Róhan

    Emerald ní Róhan Aes Sedai

    Joined:
    May 12, 2010
    Messages:
    2,997
    Location:
    Maryland, USA
    The only correlation there would be that Dreamers/Dreamwalkers can see visions of possible futures. Really, Min's viewings are about pieces of the Web. That is Moiraine's theory at least. This should theoretically include aspects of the past.
     
  13. Aulrick Vendour

    Aulrick Vendour Gaidin

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2009
    Messages:
    6,497
    Location:
    Israel
    No, you missed my point.
    Heroes are people connected to the wheel, right? When not alive, they wait in TAR. When Min has a viewing about one of them, then she can, in theory, see them there as well, can she not? BUT, if time works differently there, then it's possible that when she sees something, it would have already happened, because in TAR time moved faster...
    Though I suppose we'd need to know more about how Min's viewings work exactly in order to be sure.
     
  14. Emerald ní Róhan

    Emerald ní Róhan Aes Sedai

    Joined:
    May 12, 2010
    Messages:
    2,997
    Location:
    Maryland, USA
    Well, the only Hero she's ever viewed is Birgitte, right? I can't recall whether she saw anything of the Heroes in TGH.

    But in TAR, time only moves forward. If Min can see multiple lives (and Gaidal Cain) related to Birgitte, then there are only two options: Birgitte will become reattached to the Wheel and have many more lives with Cain. Or Min's viewings *can* touch on the past.
     
  15. Axis m'Troutilas

    Axis m'Troutilas Gaidin

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2001
    Messages:
    7,743
    Location:
    Perth, Australia
    There's not much of Min during Falme, but what there is is interesting.

    I'm curious about when she saw Hawkwing, that seems to have happpened off screen.

    No viewings off that passage of Birgitte anyway.
     
  16. Emerald ní Róhan

    Emerald ní Róhan Aes Sedai

    Joined:
    May 12, 2010
    Messages:
    2,997
    Location:
    Maryland, USA
    Sounds like a person has to actually be alive for Birgitte to get a read on them, then. That just leaves the question of whether Min is seeing only future lives for Birgitte (which I am inclined to doubt) or whether she is seeing a general aura that includes Birgitte's past and acts as general knowledge about who she is. This is what makes more sense to me.
     
  17. Axis m'Troutilas

    Axis m'Troutilas Gaidin

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2001
    Messages:
    7,743
    Location:
    Perth, Australia
    I would hesitate to be drawing conclusions like that based on that small snippit

    Relevant RJ quotes time

    Direct verbatim quote this time which is sweet.


     
  18. Emerald ní Róhan

    Emerald ní Róhan Aes Sedai

    Joined:
    May 12, 2010
    Messages:
    2,997
    Location:
    Maryland, USA
    I need some kind of fist-shaking emote just for... every time you post, Axis. :lol

    I hate it when you prove me wrong with actual facts! :p
     
  19. Morrighan Daghdera

    Morrighan Daghdera Aes Sedai

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2010
    Messages:
    6,193
    Just be glad he hasn't trouted you. :look Yet.
     
  20. Axis m'Troutilas

    Axis m'Troutilas Gaidin

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2001
    Messages:
    7,743
    Location:
    Perth, Australia
    heheheh

    Yeah

    I can be annoying like that.

    [​IMG]