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Discussion in 'Non-WOT - Literature and Fiction' started by Zad Al'Keem, Sep 19, 2015.

  1. Choirn al'Essande

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    Hi,
    I have read the Malazan series and most of the novels too and I loved it (though I'm not a great fan of Karsa)! I read WOT and ASOIAF first and for me Malazan was a lot more complex, complicated and interesting.
    Has anyone read the Karkanas trilogy? Is it good?
     
  2. Jeryn Lekar

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    A lot of people in a group on Facebook seem infatuated with it, especially Fall of Light. So I'd say it's pretty good!
     
  3. Ebona din Casei

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    They are huge, long, detailed, wordy and complicated. And I love them. All of them.

    Like you, I really struggled with the first book. The second book is better, but with different characters... And the third book combines the first two and weaves them together. And yes, you should read it all. :)
     
  4. Jeryn Lekar

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  6. Kethaana Nia Khamara

    Kethaana Nia Khamara Aes Sedai Mistress of Novices & Recruits

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    I just started with the second book :)
     
  7. Aloren Tarabutton

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    I want to give these a shot. It it really high fantasy though? I dont really care for d&d type fantasy any longer. So if its all elves, dwarves and orcs I dont know if I can handle all that.
     
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  8. Kethaana Nia Khamara

    Kethaana Nia Khamara Aes Sedai Mistress of Novices & Recruits

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    Until now (book 2) there are no elves and dwarves, only other non-human races. It's generally more darker than classic high fantasy which I enjoy.
    Although I have to admit that I get confused from time to time with all the names and wordings for races, warrens and whatever he makes up. I don't know if it would have been easier if I'd started reading in German instead of English, but I don't think so. K just can't remember any names :tug
     
  9. Jeryn Lekar

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    https://imgur.com/gallery/M95FK Would this one help? :look Or confuse things further? :lol
     
  10. Kethaana Nia Khamara

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    Awesome! I'm sure that it will help. Thanks!
     
  11. Jeryn Lekar

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    Seen in a Malazan group on Facebook. :lol
     
  12. Nynyra Falas

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    As I haven't any pages the last weeks I am forgetting things and names... a few days ago I wondered how Rakes people are named... still can't remember... :$
     
  13. Jeryn Lekar

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    Tiste Andii. :)
     
  14. Nynyra Falas

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    Aaaaaah!!!! Sure! You are my hero of the day Jeryn! :joy
     
  15. Stephen Lightheart

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    I didn't feel like making my own thread, so I'll necropost instead. ^^ :look

    I'm on my fourth or fifth attempt to read Gardens of the Moon. I'm kind of pushing myself to get through this time and not give up easily, but I find that I have no interest in reading and I'm at risk of getting into a reading slump. I desperately want to get into this, because I need a new epic in my life. So, I'm wondering, how long does it generally take for things to start making sense and characters to actually become interesting? I'm 15% in, have no clue what's going on, and the character just seem like generic prologue characters. I don't even know if these people are going to stick around. The only one who's got anything even mildly resembling character building is Paran. And I just don't find him all that interesting either.

    So, basically... I know people say the start is rough and it gets better. When does it get better?
     
  16. Toral Delvar

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    I loved the books, but that wasn't how I read them - I found many of the characters interesting
    For the "how long till it starts making sense", probably a few books, though there are things in Gardens of the Moon that are always going to be inconsistent with later books, and the timeline was never really something Erickson cared about.
    Most of the characters stick around, though books 2 and 3 split them up - a few continue into book 2, which adds many new characters/plots, and the rest continue in book 3, which also adds many more characters.
    Memories of Ice is my favourite in the series. I don't think book 2 is essential to understand, book 1? I'm not sure
     
  17. Thaddius al'Guy

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    I've read Gardens of the Moon and the 2nd book, Deadhouse Gates. To me, the first book felt more like a script for a movie than a book itself. It was harder to keep up with what was going on due to how stuff was written. I had a notebook that I kept on me to help out with character location/relation. It's also just an insanely dense book with amount of content going on. By the second book it was easier to manage and things started making more sense. You're given a LOT of stuff up front and can do nothing with that information for a long time.
     
  18. Axis m'Troutilas

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    I'm still stuck half way through deadhouse gates after years of it sitting on the shelf


    I may have go back to the start of gardens if the moon and give the series a reboot with more some more knowledge.

    I've never had this amount of trouble getting through a book before. It's not even that dense really, it just does a really awkward job of dumping it on you out of context.

    *sigh*

    I'll give it another go while I'm waiting for my new Peter F Hamilton to be delivered
     
  19. Stephen Lightheart

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    I did a thing I've never done before. I purposefully spoiled myself. I went to the Malazan wiki and read the summary of book one. Reading that made the things I'd already read click, and suddenly I felt much more invested in the characters. And then...

    ...Paran went and got himself stabbed.

    Now I'm really into it!
     
  20. Nynyra Falas

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    Hmm.... is that spoiler clickable when I am in House of chains... since ...forever... cause reading mainly wheel of time again?