New Stuff Found upon Re-read

[Tehmpus]

I'm thinking that I might just stop posting until after the final book comes out. I really don't want to read anything pertaining to it until I've gotten my chance to read.

 

[Morrighan Daghdera]

I'm sorry, Tehmpus. I thought I added enough spoiler tags and redirection in here. Please don't stop posting here. Folks really seem to enjoy your thread.

As for others, please keep spoilers in the appropriate threads.

For the prologue, go here: http://www.tarvalon.net/showthread.php?4309-Memory-of-Light-Prologue-Spoilers

For chapter 2, go here: http://www.tarvalon.net/showthread.php?4931-Memory-of-Light-Chapter-2-Spoilers

For general usage, go here: http://www.tarvalon.net/showthread....ht-Excerpts-discussion-(obvious-MoL-spoilers)


Let's keep this thread for its intended purpose and share insights found within the context of re-reading the books currently published in their entirety. I know that we're all excited about the glimpses of the final book. Let's just contain that excitement in the proper threads. Thanks.

 

[Tehmpus]

Really? Really? 5 days go by and no one posts anything? I didn't mean to shut everybody up. Post. Enjoy yourselves. Half of you are more interested in sharing your own re-read thoughts rather than reading about mine.

I just wanted to make it very clear that I am not participating in any discussions about the new book. I know the prologue and first couple chapters are available to those who are willing to create an account with some book company.

I'm not that way. I can wait, and enjoy the suspense. I can wait, and not create yet another account on yet another website, so they can send me junk mail. So, please enjoy yourselves without revealing any new book stuffs. :P

 

[Axis m'Troutilas]

I don't know about everyone else, but avoiding spoilers is a big reason I'm not posting much.

Being very careful what post to read to avoid spoilers, even in threads not marked for spoilers.


I think we need to open up the new book forum ASAP to give people somewhere to talk about it and leave everyone else to be a bit more at ease to post without being paranoid about spoilers.

Personally I don't intend to read the chapters being released, mostly as I want to read it all in one go, and secondly because I'm a tight ass.

I mean its going to get made eventually anyway, why not do it now that actual book chapters are out?

 

[Kitan Tataru]

I know the prologue and first couple chapters are available to those who are willing to create an account with some book company.

I'm not that way. I can wait, and enjoy the suspense. I can wait, and not create yet another account on yet another website, so they can send me junk mail. So, please enjoy yourselves without revealing any new book stuffs. :P

Actually, you don't have to create an account anywhere to get chapters 1 and 2, and the only reason you need to create an account to get the prologue is because you have to actually purchase it.

Anyway, I just finished TGH, a couple things I noticed: (all these quotes are from chapter 47)

First, the Aes Sedai and Siuan, as Amyrlin, said that when the Horn of Valere is blown the heroes will follow the Hornsounder, even if the Hornblower is a Darkfriend. However, when the Heroes do come:

{Artur Hawkwing speaking} "We will drive these invaders out for you." His warhorse pranced, and he looked around, frowning. "Something is wrong here. Something holds me." Suddenly he turned his sharp-eyed gaze on Rand. "You are here. Have you the banner?" A murmur ran through those behind him.

"Yes." Rand tore open the straps of his saddlebags and pulled out the Dragon's banner. It filled his hands and hung almost to his stallion's knees. The murmur among the heroes rose.

"The Pattern weaves itself around our necks like halters," Artur Hawkwing said. "You are here. The banner is here. The weave of this moment is set. We have come to the Horn, but we must follow the banner. And the Dragon."

So it sounds like the Aes Sedai were incorrect about the Heroes following anyone, even a Darkfriend. And even though Mat blew the Horn, the heroes all but ignored him.

And Mat may not even be linked to the Horn anymore...he died. Even though balefiring Rahvin brought him back, his connection with the Horn may have been broken. But even if that's true, and even if a Darkfriend blows the Horn at Tarmon Gai'don, the heroes will still follow Rand.

The question is: Will the heroes always be bound to follow the Dragon, even if he's not present? Even if the Horn is blown in a later Age, do they always require the presence of the Dragon? Or, if the Dragon isn't present (no matter what Age the horn is blown), will they simply follow the Hornsounder?

I assume this is the first time the Horn has been blown, which may be why this was never mentioned...

And I didn't realize that that moment - when Rand raised the banner - that is when he proclaimed himself the Dragon, and he was pretty much forced into it. Up to that point, he had always thought of leaving. Get the Horn, get the dagger to save Mat's life, then go somewhere alone where he wouldn't hurt people when he eventually went mad from the taint. The moment he raised that banner, that was the moment that there was absolutely no going back, and when the heroes named Rand as Lews Therin and the Dragon, that's when Mat, Perrin, Hurin, and Rand himself knew that he was not a false Dragon. He was the Dragon.

I also didn't realize that Ba'alzamon didn't know that Rand wasn't the Hornsounder - he just assumed he was.

And then Ba'alzamon talking about, I assume, Nynaeve and Egwene...remember that, earlier, Liandrin told Suroth that their Master had said that Nynaeve and Egwene needed to both be collared AND taken back to Seanchan, or there would be dire consequences:

"Get out of my way," [Rand] grated. "I am not here for you!"

"The girl?" Ba'alzamon laughed. ... "Which one, Lews Therin? You will not have anyone to help you this time. ... "

...

"They will not save you," Ba'alzamon said." "Those who might save you will be carried far across the Aryth Ocean. If you ever see them again, they will be collared slaves, and they will destroy you for their new masters."

What does he mean that Nynaeve and Egwene will save Rand? They couldn't have saved him from the taint, and while Nynaeve could Heal the madness left over from the taint later on, that probably wouldn't have done anything for the rotting sickness. Could Ba'alzamon have known Nynaeve would become such an incredible Healer?

Also, after Rand's battle with Ba'alzamon is over, Min, Elayne, and Egwene feel drawn to him, and that's how Min and Egwene found him in Turak's backyard/house. But Egwene said that Nynaeve didn't feel drawn to Rand. I can see why Elayne and Min would feel drawn to Rand, even if I don't understand how - they'll be 2 of his girlfriends. But Egwene? Was she drawn based on the bond between her and Rand, from growing up together and being all but promised to marry each other? Why was Nynaeve not drawn to Rand?

And later Moiraine says that Nynaeve must have done something (Healing-related) to Rand or he wouldn't have lived long enough for them to carry him to Verin for her Healing, but Nynaeve said she was too frightened to light a candle. What happened? Nynaeve is aware of when she's channeling now, so I trust that she didn't do any Healing. Did the Pattern keep Rand alive?

 

[Lenore Carvoe]

I think it was pretty clear that Lanfear kept Rand alive as she was there, too.

 

[Morrighan Daghdera]

I don't know about everyone else, but avoiding spoilers is a big reason I'm not posting much.

Being very careful what post to read to avoid spoilers, even in threads not marked for spoilers.


I think we need to open up the new book forum ASAP to give people somewhere to talk about it and leave everyone else to be a bit more at ease to post without being paranoid about spoilers.

Personally I don't intend to read the chapters being released, mostly as I want to read it all in one go, and secondly because I'm a tight ass.

I mean its going to get made eventually anyway, why not do it now that actual book chapters are out?

Toral had me update the Rules stickied at the top of this forum. I hope this action dissuades anyone from posting spoilers outside threads not marked as such. I'm guessing that the book 14 forum will open soon enough.

 

[Kitan Tataru]

I think it was pretty clear that Lanfear kept Rand alive as she was there, too.

True, but does she have the ability to only Heal certain things and leave others untouched?

 

[Axis m'Troutilas]

Toral had me update the Rules stickied at the top of this forum. I hope this action dissuades anyone from posting spoilers outside threads not marked as such. I'm guessing that the book 14 forum will open soon enough.

I don't think that's good enough, most don't read the rules anyway. And those that have certainly don't do it regularly

It's time to open the book 14 forum.

 

[Lenore Carvoe]

True, but does she have the ability to only Heal certain things and leave others untouched?

Nope, Healing always contains everything, but like Rand's wound not everything is healable completely.

 

[Tehmpus]

What would have been devious is if she had added something to the wound with the True Power to make it so that normal healing could not heal it properly. That way, only she would have the ability to heal him later on.

 

[Midian Venamar]

Ooh, that's genius Tehmpus!

Lenore Sedai, I think modern day Healing always affects everything, but based on Sammael's scar, in the AoL they were able to affect specific parts of the body with their Healing.

 

[Lenore Carvoe]

I understood it differently: Sammael wanted to keep the scar and hasn't been Healed since receiving it from Lews Therin. It's Graendal who thinks about removing it because then he could fit into her human menagerie.

 

[Midian Venamar]

I could be wrong, but I believe he has been Healed since he received that scar, but they were able to not remove it since he wanted to keep it.

 

[Kitan Tataru]

Couldn't one of the Asha'man Heal some things and leave others untouched? Flinn, maybe?

 

[Tehmpus]

I could be wrong, but I believe he has been Healed since he received that scar, but they were able to not remove it since he wanted to keep it.

As I understood it, Sammael decided to keep the scar since it was a reminder to him.

Aes Sedai from the current age are unable to heal old injuries (excepting perhaps Nynaeve whose healing is different than normal). That's why Moiraine cannot heal Thom's limp.

Aes Sedai from the Age of Legends still had the ability to heal old injuries even after time had passed.

 

[Morrighan Daghdera]

Couldn't one of the Asha'man Heal some things and leave others untouched? Flinn, maybe?

I'd say it's plausible...but only if Nynaeve can do it, too.

 

[Axis m'Troutilas]

few quotes on it

Sammael was compact, solid and larger-seeming than he truly was, his stride quick and active, his manner abrupt. Blue-eyed and golden-haired, with a neat square-trimmed beard, he would perhaps have been above the ordinary in looks except for a slanting scar, as if a red-hot poker had been dragged across his face from hairline to jaw. He could have had it removed as soon as it was made, all those long years ago, but he had elected not to.

"He is Lews Therin Telamon reborn," Lanfear said just as softly, "and Lews Therin was as strong as any." Sammael absently rubbed the scar across his face; it had been Lews Therin who gave it to him. Three thousand years ago and more, well before the Breaking of the World, before the Great Lord was imprisoned, before so much, but Sammael never forgot.

The look Lanfear gave him bristled with contempt. "How many of us will be alive when the Great Lord is freed at last? Four gone already. Will he come after you next, Sammael? You might like that. You could finally get rid of that scar if you defeated him. But I forget. How many times did you face him in the War of Power? Did you ever win? I cannot seem to remember." Without pause she rounded on Graendal. "Or it might be you. He is reluctant to hurt women for some reason, but you won't even be able to make Asmodean's choice. You cannot teach him any more than a stone could. Unless he decides to keep you as a pet. That would be a change for you, would it not? Instead of deciding which of your pretties pleases you best, you could learn to please."

It was an effort not to stand up as straight as he could. He was not short, but it rankled that his height did not match his ability. Lews Therin had been a head taller than he; so was al’Thor. There was always an assumption that the taller man was the better. It took another effort not to touch the scar that slanted across his face from hairline to square-cut beard. Lews Therin had given him that; he kept it for a reminder. He suspected she had misunderstood his question on purpose, to bait him. "Lews Therin is long dead," he said harshly. "Rand al’Thor is a jumped-up farmboy, a choss–hauler who has been lucky."

Graendal maintained her vexed expression until the gateway closed behind Sammael, then allowed herself to tap her fingernails on the marble railing. With his golden hair Sammael might have been handsome enough to stand among her pets, if he would let Semirhage remove the burned furrow that slanted across his face; she was the only one remaining with the skill to do what would once have been a simple matter. It was an idle thought. The real question was whether her effort had paid off.

 

[Mackenzie Rose]

OK, one more weird thing found in my re-read. During the Aiel war, 4 clans came across the Dragonwall to execute King Laman for cutting down Avendalodera (sp?) for his throne. The nations united to turn them back, but they got all the way to Tar Valon anyway. Once they executed Laman, they simply left, because they had done what they came to do.

My question is this: Why did they ever continue all the way to Tar Valon, or west of Cairhien at all, if all they wanted was to kill Laman. Wasn't he in Cairhien at the time? Or did he flee westward in order to have some protection when it became clear they came for him? It seems to me, considering the ease with which the Aiel infiltrated the Stone of Tear (and that was only a few hundred of them if I recall), they should have easily been able to sneak into Cairhien undetected and kill Laman without setting off a war.

Thoughts?

 

[Midian Venamar]

Laman did in fact go to Tar Valon when he realized the Aiel were coming for him. Why the AS harbored him, I still don't quite understand considering how many men were dying because of one person's wrongdoing. The reason they didn't do a sneak attack is likely because they wanted the world to realize how terrible it was for Laman to have done what he did ... and likely they all wanted a chance to kill him. Also, the Aiel aren't exactly known for assassinations ... they'll challenge a leader if they want to kill them, on equal footing.