Kitan, have you ever watched A Knight's Tale? There's a scene in there where the group takes a ferry across the river to London.
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Let me just say that "A Knight's Tale" is a most excellant all around movie. It should definitely be seen.
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I have not seen A Knight's Tale...sounds like this should be rectified!
OK, another interesting question from my re-read: When Moiraine falls through the twisted stone doorway with Lanfear on the docks in Cairhien, everyone thinks she's dead. Even Lan can't feel the bond anymore and believes her dead. We find out later she wasn't dead, but transported to the world of the Finns. Why did Lan still feel the bond when she went through the twin stone doorway in the holding of the Stone of Tear in TDR?
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I would say maybe Lan was distracted in TDR...but maybe it's an oversight by RJ?
Don't quote me, but I believe RJ has said that Moiranine was transported to the world of the Finns. That world is a different plane from randland, much like T'R'R and the worlds of the Portal Stones. So Lan's bond was broken by the fact that she was no longer in existence.
Also I just read about an aiel attack on Damira Sedai in Caemlyn and the result of this was that delegation falling apart and Rand distrusting the Salidar Aes Sedai. The tipping point for this was a small comment made by Verrin. Did she use her contacts in the Aiel Darkfriend community to cause this? I've often wondered why the Aiel would attack her for seemingly a random reason.
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The problem is that the doorway was destroyed after she went through it. It was fine in Tear beause the link remained active, however the bond couldn't maintain itself once the link between Finnland and Randland closed.
The interesting thing.... is what was the timeline of the Tear gate being destroyed which still interests me very much.
The interesting thing.... is what was the timeline of the Tear gate being destroyed which still interests me very much.
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Mackenzie Rose, this is a topic that had interested us for awhile. I don't believe the old thread still exists, but the answer to your question was never revealed to my knowledge.
Your questions basically is... Why is it that Lan could feel Moiraine's bond as per normal while using the Stone of Tear ter'angreal, yet feel the bond broken at the ter'angreal brought back from the Aiel waste?
There are plenty of possibilities.
1) While using the Tear ter'angreal, the passageway back to the realm of our reality was still open, thus the bond could be felt. The Aiel ter'angreal was destroyed in the battle, thus closing that connection. This theory would make more sense if there weren't alternative ways to return back to reality like the Tower of Ghenji, Old Hobs Hill, a different ter'angreal, etc. Perhaps the method of entrance you use is the only viable way back.
2) Inside the realm of the Eel'fin, Moiraine's ability to channel was fed upon by the fox people there.
3) Moiraine could have broken the bond purposefully after capture, so that Lan would be compelled to seek the Green sister, Myrelle, and then permanently on to Nynaeve.
4) Moiraine could have been stilled in the battle. (This did not happen, but it was a possibility that we discussed)
(edit) I didn't notice that Axis had already replied to you with a Sanderson quote. Check his post above.
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Tehmpus, I think the issue with there being other links to the world of the finns would make more sense if there were actual entrances through those ways. I mean the Tower of Ghenji still existed when the doorway was destroyed, but the only way in or out was with very specific tools that Mat later discovered. The doorway wasn't open.
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There is also the possibility that because she had already been through the doorway in Tear, that way was sealed for her as if it did not exist as well, and the Tower is always sealed unless you know how to open it from the outside or have a key from the inside, so when the doorway to the Foxes was destroyed, it left her with no way out since she did not have a key like Mat's spear.
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Having been through the Tear gateway is a good possibility Ana.
It comes down to the nature of the link between the doorways and Finnland I guess.
Meaning is the link present at all times, or only open when someone has passed through it. Hard to say, we don't know enough about that.
it also depends on the nature of the bond.
obviously it cannot sustain itself between parallels without an open link in some way. However its not entirely clear if the bond could sustain itself through indirect means, or if its just a straight line link between the two where the entirety of the bond itself was extended through the doorway.
Too many unknowns here for my liking.
I'd really like to know the timeline for the Tear door breaking.
It comes down to the nature of the link between the doorways and Finnland I guess.
Meaning is the link present at all times, or only open when someone has passed through it. Hard to say, we don't know enough about that.
it also depends on the nature of the bond.
obviously it cannot sustain itself between parallels without an open link in some way. However its not entirely clear if the bond could sustain itself through indirect means, or if its just a straight line link between the two where the entirety of the bond itself was extended through the doorway.
Too many unknowns here for my liking.
I'd really like to know the timeline for the Tear door breaking.
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Has the Tear doorway been destroyed?
IIRC, when Mat was there, in one room he saw rubble on the floor, which sugests someone destroyed it. As the two are linked, perhaps both would need to be destroyed for the link to also break?
IIRC, when Mat was there, in one room he saw rubble on the floor, which sugests someone destroyed it. As the two are linked, perhaps both would need to be destroyed for the link to also break?
That's true Toral Gaidin ... maybe destroying the one door also unintentionally destroyed the other. That would explain the timing of Lan's loss of connection to Moiraine.
Side note, I've totally seen your avatar in person before. My sister's cat somehow made it inside one of our walls, and I had to cut him out of it. He looked exactly like that but gray.
Side note, I've totally seen your avatar in person before. My sister's cat somehow made it inside one of our walls, and I had to cut him out of it. He looked exactly like that but gray.
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It's certainly possible that the melting of one door shattered the other.
Although that would mean that Lanfear's visitor would almost certainly have to come through the Tower of Ghenji then which is certainly possible.
The other possibility is that very same visitor shattered that door himself for some reason.
Although that would mean that Lanfear's visitor would almost certainly have to come through the Tower of Ghenji then which is certainly possible.
The other possibility is that very same visitor shattered that door himself for some reason.
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That's always been my guess, too.
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Read that scene again closely. Those men weren't Aiel at all. I believe it was Fain and his remaining Darkfriends. Dark hair and eyes, and not much taller than she is. Which is why I say there not Aiel.
Actually Gundam, if you read the pre-released prologue of AMoL it gives some insight to who they were.
They don't seem to be Aiel, but they're definitely not Fain's.
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Wasn't talking about the TOM closing scene with the Red Veiled Aiel. We were talking about the scene in LOC where one of the Salidar Aes Sedai who was part of the Embassy sent to Rand was attacked by "Supposed" Aiel.
My apologies Gundam and Morrighan Sedai. I didn't think about a spoiler tag, and I should've read what you were referring to more closely. I think it's clearly darkfriends ... for who else would be willing to stab an Aes Sedai for such seemingly pointless reasons (a warning to sow distrust and chaos). It could be Fain, but I think it slightly more likely to be one of the Chosen.
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No worries, Midian. It was a very mild spoiler.
For some reason, I've always thought it was Fain. So I have to agree with Gundam on this one.
For some reason, I've always thought it was Fain. So I have to agree with Gundam on this one.