It's also a good way during advertising to the completely uninitiated that Egwene and Nynaeve have the potential to be Aes Sedai. Yeah, it's an early reveal in the books, but you don't want to give everything away in the trailers, either.
I'm sorry... One of the FIVE of you?!
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Yes! If you can do better, you should do better, is always my motto.
There was a pulp-adventure boardgame my husband and I were playing that bummed me out pretty badly - it still held to the damsel in distress storyline which was completely unnecessary. We argued about this for an hour before he gave up, thought about it, realized I was right and promptly sold the game. If you have the opportunity to be more inclusive, you ought to.
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What was the board game?
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I can't remember :facepalm But I will try to and update. I would know it if I saw it/heard the name.
UPDATE: It's called "Paperback." Good game, nice art, outdated theme.
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I don't think they will change who is the Dragon. They can't really even pretend to be adapting the Wheel of Time if it isn't Rand (I'm watching the Foundation series now, and while I have a lot more tolerance for changes there, I am reaching my limit of "this isn't the foundation, they are just using the name"
If they do the whole "the dragon could be reborn to channel Saidin, go mad and break the world, or maybe to channel saidar safely like people have been doing for thousands of years", that would destroy what little interest I have in the show
Aratouial Delafeld
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I had a thought while cooking dinner: another good reason for "one of the four/five of you" is that, to TV audiences, not including Egwene could easily be misread as "following Rand." We know she leaves because she's restless and ambitious and seizes the opportunity, but I can easily put myself into the shoes of a new viewer and think "ugh, she's uprooting her entire life for a BOY?"
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I always liked that Egwene and Nynaeve left for their own reasons rather than just trailing along behind Moiraine like the boys were. Egwene had a dream and had the courage to go against all the expectations her entire society had for her in order to achieve that dream. Nynaeve left because her dedication to her commitments required her to, she couldn’t just leave the kids being manipulated by a tremendous outside force to fend for themselves. The cost to her was less important than the safety of those she was responsible for. Throwing away those motivations and turning them into just two more possible Dragons isn’t giving us stronger, more relevant female characters, it’s just furthering the idea that women are only strong if they’re doing the same things men are doing.
I hope they keep Egwene and Nynaeve’s main storylines separate rather than demoting them to the not-Rands that Mat and Perrin are in the first few books.
I hope they keep Egwene and Nynaeve’s main storylines separate rather than demoting them to the not-Rands that Mat and Perrin are in the first few books.
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I wonder....if she had already revealed TO the five that all five were ta'veren, so when she says "one of the five of you," it's more like, "probably one of the five of you are going to have to do so serious shit."
But then they do that little thing in the "Moiraine's Quest" (journey?) where they flip through shots of all five after she mentions TDR.
I dunno. I am way more bummed that it looks like rings have replaced shawls,.
But then they do that little thing in the "Moiraine's Quest" (journey?) where they flip through shots of all five after she mentions TDR.
I dunno. I am way more bummed that it looks like rings have replaced shawls,.
Elania al'Manir
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I think we're getting editing manipulations in the trailers. The "Explore" tab said that there were four potential candidates, and one of the scenes from the teaser trailer looks like it could be Nynaeve stalking and then confronting Lan. I'm guessing that her story specifically stays the same and the new trailer is lying.
As for Egwene, she does seem roped into the "four of you", but that doesn't mean she can't still have her own motivations. Mat's pretty obviously against the idea and gets dragged along, but Egwene can still be pretty excited about the grand adventure even though there's also a sense of obligation on top of it.
As for Egwene, she does seem roped into the "four of you", but that doesn't mean she can't still have her own motivations. Mat's pretty obviously against the idea and gets dragged along, but Egwene can still be pretty excited about the grand adventure even though there's also a sense of obligation on top of it.
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Yeah, that's basically how I feel, though you put it a lot better than me.
I don't necessarily dislike the idea of Egwene or Nynaeve being ta'veren in and of itself, and I don't necessarily even hate the idea that Egwene in particular might have been a DR-contender (although it will require a lot of mental readjustment for me, I'll admit, and Nynaeve just doesn't fit with her background and age difference), but they have their own distinct character motivations and arcs that I don't want the series to alter just because there's this external desire to "put them on par" with the boys, conceptually.
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Jocasta Braithe
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As far as ta'veren goes, I've always kind of added Egwene to the ta'veren in my headcanon, even though Jordan says she's explicitly not. Her meteoric rise and rediscovery of just about everything makes way more sense to me in that context. Egwene's story says ta'veren to me even if the word is never used.
Imzadi Hopewind
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The last teaser is with the boys. And Mat says one of us, and it is just Rand and Perrin there. So we just have to wait and see. 
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Looks like they are slowly leaking confirmations of the major changes that are likely to give fans apoplexy today in reviews and interviews. It gives us enough time that we can learn about them, absorb that it's a new turning of the Wheel, and move on so we aren't shell shocked when the series airs.
So far we've got:
Perrin is married and his wolf's first showing is mariticide on Winternight.
Souls are not bound to a given gender, and each turning of the wheel can pop you out as whatever gender/sex combo it wants.
I understand the logic behind the first. For anyone who hasn't been born with the kind of anger that makes you quite literally want to violently murder the person next you for no good damn reason, it can be hard to relate to the fear of harming someone else in the way that is most of Perrin's journey. Externalizing that concern by giving it a locus is a wise plot move, IMO, though it is riling up some folks because it's an overused trope that annoys some of the (self-declared) feminist websites that have reviewed the series so far called "fridging".
The turning of the wheel/sex change thing... I dunno. I'm of two minds on that, and I probably won't make it up until I see how it's handled. I feel like it could throw off the entire concept of balance if done poorly, while if done well it could be awesome.
So far we've got:
Perrin is married and his wolf's first showing is mariticide on Winternight.
Souls are not bound to a given gender, and each turning of the wheel can pop you out as whatever gender/sex combo it wants.
I understand the logic behind the first. For anyone who hasn't been born with the kind of anger that makes you quite literally want to violently murder the person next you for no good damn reason, it can be hard to relate to the fear of harming someone else in the way that is most of Perrin's journey. Externalizing that concern by giving it a locus is a wise plot move, IMO, though it is riling up some folks because it's an overused trope that annoys some of the (self-declared) feminist websites that have reviewed the series so far called "fridging".
The turning of the wheel/sex change thing... I dunno. I'm of two minds on that, and I probably won't make it up until I see how it's handled. I feel like it could throw off the entire concept of balance if done poorly, while if done well it could be awesome.
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Well that's the first change I'm not happy about. I'd really rather them not give Perrin a wife just to woman in the fridge her. I feel like they could've found a more creative way to get that across. But, it won't stop me from watching/enjoying the show or anything.
Jocasta Braithe
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Yes. All of this. Additionally she kind of sounds like a Sexy Lamp.
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I am hoping that, despite it being an overused, sexist trope in the main, it is done with enough care and conscience that it is one of the times that fridging is done well and for good purpose.
Part of the reason that I feel that may be borne out is that I haven't read a single person say they hated the changes yet, who is a fan of the series and reviewed it in advance.
We really won't know in the first episode, or even the first season. We'll have to see how his arc plays out with Faile, the Children, and with Elyas to really get a handle on it, I think. I also suspect that there will be an echoing arc with the Tinkers, and he will try and submerge himself in pacifism.
Part of the reason that I feel that may be borne out is that I haven't read a single person say they hated the changes yet, who is a fan of the series and reviewed it in advance.
We really won't know in the first episode, or even the first season. We'll have to see how his arc plays out with Faile, the Children, and with Elyas to really get a handle on it, I think. I also suspect that there will be an echoing arc with the Tinkers, and he will try and submerge himself in pacifism.
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Yeah, for sure. I trust them more than most do this with care, at least, even if I don't like it.
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So there you go, who the Dragon is won't change.Rafe Judkins said:
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On the note about Perrin being married, I agree with Morgana Sedai, this is the first thing I don't like. I hope that in the context of the show, it will be better.