Harry Potter re-read thread | Current: Book 3 Ch 1-5

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  1. Aduiavas Ida

    Aduiavas Ida Aes Sedai Mistress of Revels - Europe Forum Moderator

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    Well, my point still stands...
     
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    Your point makes my heart melt, Aduiavas Sedai. ^^ :love
     
  3. Ealandrelle Melyma

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    I didn't say your point didn't stand :look

    I prefer Arthur to Molly. He's just so bumbling and adorable, yet stands up when it really matters. Not saying Molly doesn't have her good points, but I find her irritating a lot of the time.
     
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    Book 1, Chapter 16
    ... the point of all this was to prevent people from getting to the Stone. Why would they provide broomsticks? That just seems counterproductive.

    Book 1, Chapter 17
    So... wouldn’t the Stone have been safer if Harry hadn’t interfered? Quirrell would never have been able to convince the mirror he didn’t want to use it so the Stone would have stayed hidden. I doubt he could have simply destroyed the mirror to get the Stone, that would be a useless protection if he could. I highly doubt Quirrell was a skilled enough wizard to undo Dumbledore’s spell, though maybe Voldemort could have coached him somewhat. It still seems like Harry just made things worse by being there.

    How often had Dumbledore tasted earwax to recognize it so easily? :p

    And one final thought for Book 1. It seems like by awarding the points to Gryffindor as he did during the feast, Dumbledore increased the animosity between Slytherin and Gryffindor. No one likes to be blind-sided and going in with such a huge lead only to have it yanked away would be horribly disappointing and I can’t see any way there wouldn’t be pretty significant resentment which could have been pretty easily mitigated by simply awarding the points in the moment rather than waiting for the feast. :\
     
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    Aduiavas Ida Aes Sedai Mistress of Revels - Europe Forum Moderator

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    I agree Elanda, the stuff that guards the Stone is just strange. We learn of so many ways to safe guard valuable objects during the series, so why make it a Quest? Obvious answer is of course for the sake of the books :look

    And yes, without Harry, the Stone would probably be totally safe. However, how would Flamel get the Stone when he needs more elixir? There kind of have to be another way to get at it too...

    It is also crazy that the most unpredictable of the obstacles are the first, and the one the students meets, Fluffy. I mean, it probably deters students, but it is also dangerous. Like Ron says: "What are they thinking, having a thing like that locked up in a school?"
     
  6. Mathias Vielfrass

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    CoS8 The Deathday Party

    I know this is about the creepy Deathday Party for Sir Nicholaus. I have a few comments about Filch and Peeves instead.

    “Filch’s pet Peeves”

    Does Filch like his job? Probably not. His draconian bullying is designed to minimize his workload. Frog-brains splattered in the dungeons are a personal affront. Filch charges Harry with “befouling the castle” for dripping mud after a rainy quidditch practice. He feels these messes should not be part of his job.

    While waiting in Filch’s office, Harry starts reading a Kwikspell flyer on the desk and wonders if Filch is even a proper wizard. This could explain much of his behavior.

    Filch dislikes the privileged students of magic. He bans magic in the corridors between classes. The slug-burping Ron serves detention polishing the silver in the trophy room without magic. But, it is not just the magic. Filch has a list of forbidden items many of which he has confiscated. With the help of Mrs. Norris, his cat, he prowls the halls hunting rule breakers. These miscreants are threatened with everything from being chained by the ankles in the dungeons to expulsion from Hogwarts.

    Peeves just makes things worse. He is always around to misdirect the students, annoy the staff, and add to the general chaos of whatever is going on. Students encountering Peeves are usually trying to do something else and don’t want to deal with him.

    Nearly Headless Nick gets Peeves to drop the Vanishing Cabinet over Argus Filch’s office in order to create a distraction for Harry. Although Filch gloats that this act of vandalism is grounds to finally rid the castle of Peeves, it will never happen.

    As fear generates boggarts and hopelessness feeds dementors, so chaos sustains poltergeists. Peeves is the “indestructible spirit of chaos” feeding off the mayhem and confusion of Hogwart’s students. Lost? He will make you late. Up to something secret? He will broadcast it. Out after hours? Someplace forbidden? He will ensure you are caught.

    The only way to get rid of Peeves is by eliminating the very source of his existence -- the chaotic emotions filling the halls. Abolish those stress causers such as tests, rules, and detentions. Ban all those unruly, hormone driven, melodramatic students. Dismiss the harassed and exasperated faculty and staff. In other words close the school and the “indestructible spirit of chaos” will evaporate.
     
  7. Aduiavas Ida

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    And yet, we also see that Peeves are as much a part of Hogwarts as anything else. In book 5, he did not side with the "evil" chaos creating Umbridge and her Inquisatorial (sp?) squad, but he is firmly on Dumbledores and the "true" Hogwarts side. Same in book 7, he is automatically a part of the defense, same as the armor etc...
     
  8. Mathias Vielfrass

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    Well, I am out of my grand essays, but a few thoughts on Chapter 9, The Writing on the Wall.

    A normal person would notice Filch's attachment to his cat and his immediate accusations of Harry. I do wonder if squibs need a cat? Just thinking about Mrs. Figg.

    Later, we read about History class. I love the depiction of Professor Binns coming through the board as a ghost. He died years ago, but just keeps coming in to "teach". I worked with a few of those.

    His notes are ancient and unchanging, which he then reads in a monotonous drone. * I had a professor once advise me to put my lecture notes on yellow legal pad. That way, years later, I could always claim they started off yellow. *

    He is shocked that a student asked a question! In fact, he is disconcerted that there are students in the room. Even more disconcerting is they want to hear what he knows about the Chamber of Secrets. He doesn't even know their names!

    I think we all experienced this teacher somewhere.
     
  9. Nebka Galyn

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    I just love the Weasley's such an awesome family!

    The train ride was so exciting and it was great that Ron and Harry got to know each other. Draco Malfoy is an entitled little bully and I can not stand him and his goons...

    I also think it is so magical the way the first years ride in the boats to Hogwarts and get such an amazing view of things as they arrive.
     
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    I'd never made that connection before, that's really interesting!
     
  11. Aduiavas Ida

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    I am actually disappointed that History of Magic is looked down upon so much. As a history student, I would love to hear more about that, and I would have loved the subject. I might have had problem keeping awake, but I would have devoured the books on the subject.

    And I wonder, what would happen if a person fails History of Magic one of the early years? Do you have to pass ALL the exams in order to proceed to next year?
     
  12. Dnae Ila

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    I'd love JK to write "Hogwarts: A History" for real.

    Okay, so according to the schedule, we're supposed to be starting HP2 ch9 today, which I am. I know I haven't posted in a while, so here's some thoughts I noted down about the first book and the first 8 chapters of the second

    I'm sorta disappointed that Harry never gives Dumbledore socks for Christmas. That would've been a good callback.

    The centaurs keep saying that Mars is bright. In astrology, Mars, named for the god of war, rules over base instincts: survival, aggression, anger, sexual desire, etc. Probably meant simply to indicate that war is coming, but could also symbolize Voldemort's struggle to survive.

    I think they should've made a bigger deal about Ron's sacrifice during the chess game. Yeah, Harry risked his life facing Voldemort, but Ron made a decision expecting that it would definitely mean his death. He had no reason to believe he would survive being taken out of the game, considering the damage the stone pieces were taking. He didn't just risk his life, he made a decision to give up his life.

    I'm disappointed that we didn't have enough description of the potions puzzle to figure it out. I like those puzzles and I would've liked solving it, but the description stopped just shy of enough information.

    I had forgotten that Snape felt indebted to James. I think a lot of people do, but it is an important motivator for him. I think that feeling a need to repay a life debt to a person you hate who is now dead and thus impossible to repay fully is so much more dynamic and makes much more sense as a reason behind his actions and attitude than just the other reason that everyone remembers.

    I do really like the recognition Ron did get, specifically his pompous, self-important brother proudly boasting about him. That made me tear up a little.

    In the second book, this line ... "They had almost reached the highway when Ginny shrieked that she'd left her diary." I chuckled at that.

    Similar chuckle when Nearly-headless Nick goaded Peeves into destroying a vanishing cabinet.

    I don't remember when this thought came to me, but there was a mention in the books, maybe from Mr. Weasley, about how ingenious muggles were to get along without magic. And I for a moment felt slightly indignant because being a muggle isn't a shortcoming or disability. We can't do magic, but technology isn't a "way around it" or compensation, we just do things differently and we don't need magic, and I had a revelation that that's probably exactly how the deaf and autistic communities feel! I always had trouble understanding how so many deaf people can feel like their deafness isn't a disability, because to me, it clearly is. People were meant to hear, so obviously not being able to hear is a disability.
    Well, to wizards, people are meant to do magic, so muggles who can't are clearly disadvantaged.
    I think I can understand now.
     
  13. Mathias Vielfrass

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    Thank you Dnae Gaidin! You cover so much so well. I had never wondered why Harry didn't give Dumbledore socks. (or mention it to Hermione and SHE would have started a group as a cause).

    I'm not sure Snape ever felt indebted to James. Snape was a hard core jerk towards James. None-the-less, nice thoughts.

    Your comments on Arthur are especially interesting. Is it WE muggles don't really get it, or is it WizardPrivilege? THEY can do magic. THEY are amazed/amused how we lesser beings manage to get by. In this light, I see Arthur as a clueless liberal who champions the underdog he does not understand.
     
  14. Adanys Wynterwulf

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    So we're* currently on Book 3, Chapters 1-5.

    You all are, I've fallen behind :look
    I'm still reading, just really slowly :lol
     
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    :look I may still be on book 1 :look because allergies make reading difficult when your eye feels like it is on fire :look
     
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    hey guys, have you finished the series? Have you started reading something else instead? :p
     
  17. Dnae Ila

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    We should be on book 4, ch 28-32 this week.
    I am midway through bookbook 3. I'll try to catch up this week.
     
  18. Polegnyn Nemeara

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    Hello, everyone :)

    I've been listening to this series via audiobook while I work. However, I'm on HP and the Deathly Hallows. I have a question, though, that some of you who enjoy HP theories might have an answer for. Could someone who has finished the series and follows fan theories PM me as to answer my question?

    Eta: Thanks, Dnae!
     
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  19. Ilverin Matriam

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    I gave up and never listened to The Deathly hallows :look I really didn't like the reader to the audiobook I was listening to :\