Harry Potter re-read thread | Current: Book 3 Ch 1-5

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  1. Elanda Tonil

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    Chapters 6-10 this week, right?
     
  2. Nebka Galyn

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    I got through Chapters 1-5 easily. Will start on 6-10 for this week.

    Thoughts on Chapters 1-5:

    They seem to downplay the neglect but do set the tone that it has been a hard life for Harry up to this point.
    I LOVE Hagrid... (did in the movies as well)
    I'm excited to get to Hogwarts!
     
  3. Dnae Ila

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    I started chapter 6 this afternoon.
     
  4. Mathias Vielfrass

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    Once again, my Perspicuous ponderings on chapters 6 - 10.

    Ch6: “The Journey from Platform Nine and Three-Quarters”
    Leaving and coming. (Goodbye Dursleys, Hello Weasleys)
    Ch7: “The Sorting Hat”
    Harry comes home to a place he’s never been before. New family, friends, room and board.
    Ch8: “The Potions Master”
    The castle is mischievous, capricious, and hazardous. Snape and Hagrid are both hiding something from Harry.
    Ch9: “The Midnight Duel”
    Neville’s a crybaby, Malfoy’s a bully, Harry’s reckless, McGonagall loves quidditch, and Fluffy guards.
    Ch10: “Halloween”
    The Nimbus and the Quidditch rules. A trolled know-it-all Hermione covers for her true friends.
     
  5. Aduiavas Ida

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    I always like these first chapters at Hogwarts. It is so quaint and goes into this neat little stuff that is never actually mentioned often afterwards, like the moving staircases. The way they get lost is also not visited, but that is more natural as they get more used to the castle, and of course the Marauders Map.

    And I do dislike that History of Magic is portrayed as the most boring subject. I would LOVE to have learned more about the history of the world I was entering into, if it was me :look Also, when they mention the different teachers, why don't they mention the teachers for the other subjects, like Care of Magical Creatures or Arithmancy? I suspect that Rowling hadn't thought that far ahead yet :look
     
  6. Mathias Vielfrass

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    May I offer a small insight here:

    SS6 The Journey from Platform Nine and Three-Quarters

    “Goodbye Dursleys. Hello Weasleys!”

    It must have been bizarre returning to spend August at the Dursleys. They didn’t like Harry anyway and now they ignored him, half out of anger and half out of terror, so he kept to himself, counting down the days until he could leave, which was not fun.

    When he asked for a ride to King’s cross “Dudley screamed and ran from the room.” Vernon answered him in grunts and then made snide comments about punctured Magic Carpets. They would not even consider it if they weren’t taking Dudley to a private hospital to have that ruddy tail removed. The Dursleys help Harry only because it does not inconvenience them. Aunt Petunia has to talk Dudley into sitting next to Harry in the car. They arrive half an hour early and Vernon is malevolently delighted that there is no Platform 9 ¾. “Have a good term.” Vernon is ecstatic leaving an eleven year old in baggy hand-me-downs standing alone in a public train station with an owl and a heavy trunk.

    The guard at King’s Cross is no help. He has never heard of Hogwarts. At the very least he could have checked 11:00 departures. The train to Edinburgh leaves King’s Cross Platform 4 at 11:00 a.m.* Rather than do his job, he, like the Dursleys, abandons a child standing alone in a public train station.

    With time running out, Harry overhears Molly Weasley say “packed with Muggles …” He watches three of the family disappear into the barrier before asking for help. She kindly tells him how to get on the platform saying it was her son Ron’s first time, too.

    Once through the barrier, he goes on alone to find a seat. Fred and George help load his trunk, Molly cleans the dirt on Ron’s nose, the twins harass Percy the Prefect, Ginny whines to her mother that she wants on the train just to see Harry. The three boys lean out the train window for Molly to kiss her sons goodbye. Harry gets to witness a family working together.

    Ron joins Harry in the compartment. He talks about his family, his rat, and being poor. He has packed sandwiches, but Harry has money to treat with. Ron fails to make the faux Rat Yellowing Spell work. He is honest and vulnerable. Harry knows he can trust Ron.

    Then Malfoy enters denigrating the Weasleys as riff-raff, offering to help Harry avoid the wrong sort. Harry famously responds, “I think I can tell who the wrong sort are for myself, thanks.” Ron takes offense at Malfoy, but the bullies believe they are not just better, but definitely stronger. What can Ron do? His not-yellow-rat, Scabbers, unexpectedly bites Goyle on the finger. Even his pathetic pet sticks up for him!

    As he gets off the train, the first adult he sees is Hagrid who asks, “All right there Harry?” He is officially welcomed to Hogwarts. Harry, Ron, Neville and Hermione get a boat together. He is not avoided and no longer chosen last. He is welcomed home.

    *I checked the train schedule. It arrives in Edinburgh at 3:17, which is at least going in the right direction.
     
  7. Aduiavas Ida

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    I also think it is strange that no one magical is there to help the kids get into the platform. Who told Hermione for example how to get in there? She also has Muggle parents who have never heard of Hogwarts?

    And I also think that Harry cannot be the first person to have asked the guard about Hogwarts...
     
  8. Mathias Vielfrass

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    You would think that, but then again remember that Hagrid was his liason!
     
  9. Dnae Ila

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    Yeah, I imagine Hermione had a more ... Attentive liason. And I presume that most muggle parents sending their child to Hogwarts would make sure they knew everything about travel accommodations.
     
  10. Mathias Vielfrass

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    Although I don't think it's in the books, I would imagine Hermione having McGonagall help her. Then again, since she read the entire library before going, she may have found that info in a ... book.
     
  11. Aduiavas Ida

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    Are there enough people working at Hogwarts to move EVERY Muggleborn first grader? I mean, there are only so many teachers :look

    But your idea is probably correct. We do see Dumbledore coming to find Riddle, and accompanying him to get school books...
     
  12. Mathias Vielfrass

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    :) Following the names in the books, it looks like the incoming class is only about 20. How many are muggle born? The numbers would be manageable.
     
  13. Mathias Vielfrass

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    Here is my chapter 7 insights.

    The Sorting Hat

    “Coming home to a place he’d never been before.”

    The first-years arrive at the Great Hall, a strange and splendid place, to prepare to be sorted. No one seems to know how this is to be done, but there are many strange rumors. Harry, especially, is anxious. He thinks about his past failures at fitting in at school. He was picked last in gym, no one wanted Dudley to think they liked him. Epically, he imagines being rejected at Hogwarts, too.

    “What if he wasn’t chosen at all? What if he just sat there with the hat over his eyes for ages, until Professor McGonagall jerked it off his head and said there had obviously been a mistake and he’d better get back on the train?”

    Yet, in front of the whole school – faculty, staff and students – he sits on the stool and the hat is placed on his head. The hat talks to him and listens to his plea, “Not Slytherin.” He is cheered when he is placed in Gryffindor. He has a new family. Percy talks to him and passes him potatoes. He can eat as much as he wants, unlike at the Dursleys. Nearly Headless Nick introduces himself. Ron, Seamus, and Neville are all there and interested in Harry.

    Not only is he accepted and embraced by Hogwarts, he is comfortable there in spite of the general weirdness of the castle. The Great Hall is a marvelous and opulent space. The enchanted ceiling reminds one of the roofless ruins of many old Scottish castles. Under the law, a ruin, versus a livable dwelling, is not taxed. A building is considered a ruin if it does not have a roof. Impoverished nobility would remove the roof from an old castle to save themselves the expense of taxes on a building no longer in use. (Clan Donald did that in the 1970s with Castle Armadale on the Isle of Skye. Shame, really.) One such ruin, Castle Urquhart on Loch Ness, is actually Hogwarts. The muggles see broken stone walls, look up to the “roofless” ceiling and see the sky, and then, remembering they have other places to be, get back on their tour busses. Wizards and Witches see a thousand year old fortress, look up to see the ceiling enchanted to look like the sky, and decide to stay.

    The Hogwarts castle, like its headmaster Albus Dumbledore, is madly eccentric. Hidden doorways, changing staircases, ghosts, Peeves, talking portraits demanding passwords, and a lavish House common room – but, all this weirdness does not faze Harry. He feels he belongs. He has come home to a place he’s never been before.

    He was born in the summer of his 27th year
    Coming home to a place he'd never been before
    He left yesterday behind him, you might say he was born again
    You might say he found a key for every door


    John Denver “Rocky Mountain High”
     
  14. Adanys Wynterwulf

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    As I read, I can't help but constantly think about how very well the movies are cast!!
    It might be that I've seen all the movies twice and am reading for the first time, but I find all the actors portrayed the character really well. Hermione and Snape being the best so far, I think.
    I'm a little upset that Peeves didn't make it into the films, (I'd like to know why), and I feel like Harry is much more outspoken in the books than he is in the movies. I mean, he sasses Uncle Vernon, and there's even a point where he's hanging from his neck trying to get his letter.
     
  15. Aduiavas Ida

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    I think they decided that Peeves was not important enough to the plot to be worth the CGI needed to create him. Probably the same reason that the ghosts are only in the first film :look
     
  16. Elania al'Manir

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    And now we're starting chapters 11-15!
     
  17. Adanys Wynterwulf

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    Speak for yourself :lol
    I've fallen behind. :look
    But, I love the book so far :D
     
  18. Nebka Galyn

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    wow totally forgot about this.... lol I'll get caught up this week
     
  19. Fern Al'Thorn

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    ok...
    I thought I could do the re-read this slowly,, and well, I couldn't.. I started the first book and stopped about 6 days later with the last one. :look
    I have a problem when it comes to books that catch my mind like that.. I can not stop reading them....
     
  20. Aduiavas Ida

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    Fern, me too. I once read the first book almost in one sitting. Granted, I sat waiting in a hospital at the time :look