Harry Potter re-read thread | Current: Book 3 Ch 1-5

Discussion in 'Non-WOT - Literature and Fiction' started by Ninya Evoneigh, Apr 19, 2018.

  1. Aduiavas Ida

    Aduiavas Ida Aes Sedai Mistress of Revels - Europe Forum Moderator

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    Well, many kids have been left on doorsteps, in churches or monasteries :look

    Also, the Dursleys were not, I think, abusive to Harry, they just neglected him and saw him as a byproduct of a world they detested, and he looked a lot like James, which both of them really disliked. As you said, he were fed, and clothed after a fashion. The fact that he slept in the cupboard under the stair, while Dudley had TWO bedrooms are the worst for me. That, and that he never got to go out places with them, like the zoo in the first book.
    They did probably make some rumours that he had mental problems, like they used as an excuse in book 2. And they said he went to this special school for criminals when he went away to Hogwarts :look
     
  2. Dnae Ila

    Dnae Ila Gaidin Company Commander of Dai M'hael

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    Yeah, by irresponsible people. And/or by people who ring the bell or otherwise ensure the baby is discovered right away.
     
  3. Ealandrelle Melyma

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    The Dursleys did abuse Harry - neglect IS a form of abuse. Being brought up in an atmosphere where it is very clear you are not, and never were, wanted... I'm amazed Harry doesn't appear more emotionally traumatised in the first seven books. I feel that it took until The Cursed Child for JK Rowling to really make clear how badly Harry was treated, and the impact this had on him. I don't know if it was glossed over in the initial books because they are books for kids or because the Dursleys are very much just a backdrop and what goes on in the Wizarding World is more important.
     
  4. Dnae Ila

    Dnae Ila Gaidin Company Commander of Dai M'hael

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    I think both. In the first few books, the Dursleys are very much caricatures and their emotional abuse is presented very cartoonishly. In the last few books, they are not mentioned much because there are bigger story elements going on.
     
  5. Adanys Wynterwulf

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    Did I miss the official start date and reading schedule? :scratch
    Or are y'all just discussing from previous reads?
     
  6. Dnae Ila

    Dnae Ila Gaidin Company Commander of Dai M'hael

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    I think no consensus has been reached on the start date. I was just getting ahead of myself.
     
  7. Elanda Tonil

    Elanda Tonil Aes Sedai Survey Project Manager Forum Moderator

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    I’m good to start whenever. :) Sooner might be better than too much later so we don’t lose the enthusiasm momentum before it starts.

    @Ealandrelle Melyma, I completely agree. I wonder if the trauma was glossed over in Sorcerer’s Stone because of the age of the target audience. The books started out fairly light and short and got longer and heavier as the series went on and the characters, and initial readers, got older and more mature. I haven’t read The Cursed Child so I can’t speak to that.
     
  8. Elania al'Manir

    Elania al'Manir Aes Sedai Forum Moderator

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    Ok, so let's start today/tomorrow (Monday, April 23) and do 5 chapters a week. Everyone okay with that?
     
  9. Dnae Ila

    Dnae Ila Gaidin Company Commander of Dai M'hael

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    Sounds good!
     
  10. Mathias Vielfrass

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    That works well for me. That will make the re-read last into September. We have already had some great insights! I am curious to see how this group approaches the books. Is there anything I can do to help out?
     
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    Yes, that sounds good!
     
  12. Tallan Daar

    Tallan Daar Aes Sedai Historian

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    I'm in. It'll be my first reread. I'm looking forward to being reminded of what's actually in the books and what's not after 13 years of fanfiction. :look
     
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    Leala al'Dareis First Seasoner Aes Sedai Head of the White Ajah

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    I'll bring it with me tomorrow and see if I can get my brain to work with me! :lol
     
  14. Mathias Vielfrass

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    To help get us started, here is a brief summary of the first five chapters.

    Harry Potter Chapters 1 – 5

    The infant Harry is left on the doorstep of his only living relatives. He is leaving a world where he is famous to enter one of fear and shame for for who he is.

    The second chapter shows Dudley being rewarded for being like the Dursleys. Harry's accidental magical defenses earn him punishment, punishment for not being like them.

    Skipping ahead ten years (Ch3), the letters from Hogwarts arrive triggering the anger, fear and shame of the xenophobic Dursleys.

    (Ch4)You and run, but you can’t hide. Hagrid, keeper of the keys, finds Harry and (Ch5)takes him shopping in Diagon Alley.
     
  15. Nebka Galyn

    Nebka Galyn Knight of the Glitterati Aes Sedai

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    A friend was going to lend me her books.. then I discovered that the kindle ebooks are free to read with the "kindle unlimited" package that I pay for to go with my Amazon prime... so now I don't have to worry about returning somebody else's books... Yay!
     
  16. Ninya Evoneigh

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  17. Aduiavas Ida

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    I remember the first time I read this book. I had NO idea what they were about. (This was before the hype, and way, way before the movies :look ) So these chapters were interesting to me.
    Now, I am just impatient for him to get to Hogwarts already :p
     
  18. Ninya Evoneigh

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    So...first sentence, first chapter, and I already have some thoughts on Rowling's use of symbology. :p

    The surname Dursley.
    Dursley is a town in Gloucestershire with a strong history of manufacturing industries- cloth, engines, bikes, you name it. I don't think you could ask for a more modern, normal, origin for a family that desires to be modern and normal...or a better name for someone who manufactures drills.

    Vernon and Petunia
    Both of these are plant names that sound totally normal. I find this intriguing, because they want so badly to be normal, but their names fit right in with the wizarding community's general naming conventions. (Also of interest: Petunias are part of the nightshade family...)

    Dudley
    Means "Woodland clearing." Yet more plant/nature references, and they chose that one themselves.

    Privet Drive
    Another plant name! A Privet is a shrub of the olive family, with small white, heavily scented flowers and poisonous black berries. So. Looks safe and pretty, is of an edible plant strain, but is poisonous. Hmmm....

    #4
    Indicative of squares (Vernon wants nothing more than to be a square), strong foundations (Dumbledore wants to give Harry a steady childhood), stability, evenness. Also representative of the four cardinal directions, the four elements, and the four seasons (all heavily related to paganism/magic). It's also the number for Mars, the god of war, and the tarot card The Emperor (with meanings deeply rooted in patriarchy, masculinity, protection, leadership, fair judgment).

    It's interesting to me to think about how these different meanings/backgrounds apply to the Dursleys and their impact on the story. Also the ironies. Just as their house number appears on the outside of their house, so they appear stable and normal from the outside. Get within, however, and all kinds of odd things happen beneath their roof, their sense of normalcy is horribly skewed, they're related to wizards...

    Basically their entire existence is indicative, on a meta level, of people who spend their entire lives frantically building a facade to distance or hide the parts of themselves they find unacceptable, but in reality those things are right there staring everyone in the face no matter how hard they try..literally a part of their identity.

    I don't know if she actually intended all that, but the fact that it's there, accidentally or on purpose, is fascinating to me. :p
     
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  19. Aduiavas Ida

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    You know, I heard the name as Private Drive for many years :look

    The Norwegian translator also changed a lot of the names. In Norwegian, the name is directly translated as hegde road
     
  20. Mathias Vielfrass

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    It is easier to accept yourself if everyone else is like you. It is hard to assert your superiority if others who are different from you are allowed to co-exist as equals. This is the tone of the entire series.