Gay Character?

Discussion in 'Wheel of Time Discussion - Books 1-8' started by Agea Al'Saralonde, Aug 29, 2012.

  1. Agea Al'Saralonde

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    I'm at the 7th Book. I didn't see any gay character in WOT. :tug That makes me sad even I live in the country where the muslim population is %90. I really want to see a Maiden's love to another Maiden or two WhiteCloaks' love for eachother. Is there any gay relationship between characters? :kiss
     
  2. Lenore Carvoe

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    When you're at the 7th book you must have read about pillow friends.
     
  3. Agea Al'Saralonde

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    Is it at the 7th book? I'm at page 100.
     
  4. Lenore Carvoe

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    I'm not sure if it is specifically in book 7, but pillow friends are mentioned more than once.
     
  5. Agea Al'Saralonde

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    I've looked to wot wikia and yes it was mentioned but at the books Robert Jordan didnt mention it like a sexual relationship.
     
  6. Lenore Carvoe

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    There's a lot to read between the lines, Agea.
     
  7. Axis m'Troutilas

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    Gay relationships are pretty subtle in the books, but RJ tried.

    Certainly "pillowfriends" are a term meant to convey female/female sexual activities, although not necessary "lesbian" people if you get what he meant.

    Good example is Siuan and Moraine who were "pillow friends" in their younger days.

    In some ways RJ seems to treat these things as a phase people go through, but for a man his age he did try.
     
  8. Toral Delvar

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    RJ did say that there was a sexual component to pillow friends
    "Pillow friends are not just good friends. Oh, they are that, too, but they also get hot and sweaty together and muss up the sheets something fierce. By the way, pillow friends is a term used in the White Tower. The same relationship between men or women elsewhere would be called something else, depending on the country"
    We also know that many of the Reds find men distasteful, which does not make them gay, but for some, such as Galina, we do know they are.
     
  9. Dieda Eriu

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    In later books, there are occasional references, for example: but she didn't like the men that way. And such. But overall, I don't remember any male gay characters, only female :cheese
     
  10. Morrighan Daghdera

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    There were those 2 guys in Sheinar who always requested to work together. :cheese Can't recall their names right now...Nidao & Changu maybe? *dodges the trout for memory failure*
     
  11. Axis m'Troutilas

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    :D

    RJ put it pretty good as to why he didn't make it obvious who is/isn't homosexual.


    Oh and there an upcoming gay male character in A Memory of Light
     
  12. Agea Al'Saralonde

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    That's awesome and exciting. Thank you.
     
  13. Slynese

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    Pillow friends are not gay, I think.
    They are just a more intimate form of friendship.
     
  14. Axis m'Troutilas

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    Yes and no.

    I agree its more of a friends with benefits thing, more than a "same sex relationship".
     
  15. Jell Gordan

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    Also, in the later books (9 and on I think) there is a confirmed lesbian couple between a Sea Folk woman and a noble woman. So there are gay characters, but not that much or greatly pronounced...
     
  16. Agea Al'Saralonde

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    Yes I've just read the 9th book. And They mentioned two Aes Sedai in Tar Valon were doing things secretly. They thought they might be pillow friends and there is nothing wrong with it. That was cool :joy
     
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    It's mentioned a couple of times that it is often seen as a thing for Novices, but grown women aren't really expected to do so
     
  18. Kerna Shedrian

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    New Spring also mentions gay relationships both genders.
     
  19. Matriz Ca'zon

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    There is subtle mentions of gay relationships throughout the later books.
     
  20. Marivea al'Corriyi

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    Gay characters are definitely hinted at through the books from pillow friends (stated fairly emphatically) to the two Shienarians who always wanted to work with each other. I thought RJ did a pretty good job of making it seem common place, not in-your-face, and a really good type of book for, say, getting sheltered, conservative, homeschooled teens to open their minds a bit about the gay community. :look