Fullfilment of Prophecy

Discussion in 'Wheel of Time Discussion - Books 1-14' started by Toral Delvar, Jan 9, 2013.

  1. Axis m'Troutilas

    Axis m'Troutilas Gaidin

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    it kind of happens off screen for Carlinya

    We don't know the exact killer yet, but its one of that attacking group.



    Akeis that is an awful paragraph, I can barely work out what your trying to say.

    Whose death are you referring to there?

    As for how far back Natrins Barrow burned back, according to Sanderson its about the following:

    personally I think he's under estimated the relative strength of the Choedan Kal there, but anyway I don't think anyone killed in that balefire strike was up to much in the week beforehand that would be significant to undo.
     
  2. Tazren Talamar

    Tazren Talamar Gaidin

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    Yeah. But it doesn't sound like he was very serious about the estimation, from the "let's say" part. As it's described somewhere, iirc, that Rand channeled as much as a hundred men with Callandor (although I guess that might be an exaggeration). Anyway, Moghedien got ecstatic from the thought of channeling a thousandth of what Nynaeve did at the Cleansing.
     
  3. Axis m'Troutilas

    Axis m'Troutilas Gaidin

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    Agreed, I think its much higher.

    But even a thousand times more powerful than Rand only puts a full power Balefire strike at 41 days (assuming it scales linearly, which is a pretty big assumption).

    So it doesn't push it back very far even then.

    That's assuming Rand used a full power strike, which to be honest I doubt he did even to start with as it wasn't necessary.

    Much of the strength of that strike went into increasing the area effect I should think too.

    So we can probably estimate anywhere from 1 week to 6 weeks at most I should think as boundaries to look in for possible actions to be removed.
     
  4. Toral Delvar

    Toral Delvar Archivist Gaidin

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    And Mat
    (Pod, Ch. 8). Saving Moiraine apparently saved the world, but I can't think of any time he had to make any important decision between two Aes sedai
     
  5. Kiranthus Solaron

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    Mat had to choose between saving Moiraine and opening Verin's letter. He chose to save Moiraine. It is possible the letter held info about the trollocs invading Caemyln, but by choosing to save Moiraine he saved the world as she was necessary to be by Rands side for anothe prophecy.
     
  6. Arecias Dezell

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    I agree with Kerna Sedai here, when Rand died there was no confirmed leader of the BT. So Logain symbolically steps over Rand by stepping in to fill the power vacuum.

    As for Elayne, this may be a stretch, but could the red hot iron and the axe represent the dragons and Ogier that were major parts of her fighting forces in her campaign in Andor and Cairhien?
     
  7. Toral Delvar

    Toral Delvar Archivist Gaidin

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    I suppose that could fit given how metaphorical the dreams can be, but it si pretty lame as in his mind he wasn't making a choice, he still intended to open Verin's letter when she asked.
     
  8. Kiranthus Solaron

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    I remember a quote somewhewre from Rand about a man with no free will is just a puppet. Can't find the quote right now, but Rand pretty much had no real free will of his own as he was doing the wheel's will. Male channelers becoming as common as the female channelers is arguably part of the natural state of the wheel. So once Logain officially takes over as head of the Black Tower after Rand's death, he is metaphorically walking over the body of a puppet.

    Also I hadn't thought of that interpretation for Elayne's. It seems like great reasoning.
     
  9. Kiranthus Solaron

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    He intended to, but never did. Also, by the time he would have opened the letter after saving Moiraine it would have been too late. Effectively he chose between the two, even if he didn't realise it.
     
  10. Imzadi Hopewind

    Imzadi Hopewind Aes Sedai

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    Yes, the letter was about the waygate in Caemlyn and trollocs...