Cosmological question

[Hammar O'Justice]

True or False: The Creator is the True Source.

Go.

 

[Daerlyn Inagh]

I suppose it depends on how we see the Creator.

The Dark One is jealous and controlling and the True Power can only be touched with his permission (except in the case of Rand whose symbiosis with Moridin makes him a special case). On the other hand, people just sort of stumble onto the True Source all the time and the Forsaken still use it - I can see a Creator who's just letting the experiment run without interference not bother cutting people off from himself, but on the other hand if the True Source is just there to grease the Wheel, it may not stem from the Creator any more or less than any other part of the metaphysical universe.

 

[Jeffan Caliarthan]

To me, it's false. The Creator created the Wheel of Time, and he created The True Source, but I don't think that that's the full extent of his power. He has abilities beyond that.

 

[Aulrick Vendour]

I think what Hammer means is that the Creator is the source itself, not the One Power. The Creator is the fountain, the One Power is the water.
By the way Hammer, if it's true, then Daerlyn's post strengthens my theory about the creator not being the opposite choice from the DO, or he'd have cut evil out of the source.
Still, this makes little sense to me as well.
My guess is that no. The Creator is a stmbol of creation, the laws of physics under which the world exists, much like our own world and it's god. It's not something with a living consciousness. At least, not anymore.

 

[Zimone Zarasri]

Hmmm what was that voice that Rand heard when he was entering Shayol Ghul? In the end of chapter 23?

IT IS TIME. LET THE TASK BE UNDERTAKEN.
The voice spoke to him with the inevitability of an earthquake, the words vibrating through him. More than sound in the air, far more, the words spoke as if from one soul to another. Moiraine gasped, eyes opening wide.

For some reason I thought that was the Creator himself though I suppose I don't really have any facts to back it up. It just seemed to make sense, since the DO is the only other person to speak in all caps and this wasn't him then it must be the Creator. If that's the case then clearly he isn't that absent, he just mostly wants to leave the humans free to do whatever they want and only help them when they really really need it?

 

[Aulrick Vendour]

I thought that was the DO himself

 

[Tazren Talamar]

I assume it's the same voice from EotW:

"The Light blind you, Ba'alzamon! This has to end!"

IT IS NOT HERE.

It was not Rand's thought, making his skull vibrate.

I WILL TAKE NO PART. ONLY THE CHOSEN ONE CAN DO WHAT MUST BE DONE, IF HE WILL.

"Where?" He did not want to say it, but he could not stop himself. "Where?"

The haze surrounding him parted, leaving a dome of clear, clean air ten spans high, walled by billowing smoke and dust. Steps rose before him, each standing alone and unsupported, stretching up into the murk that obscured the sun.

NOT HERE.

There's a pretty strong correlation between what's said in the two quotes. In the first book, the time is not right. In the last book, it's time.

Since The Dark One does seek to interfere, I don't see why it would be TDO.

 

[Jeffan Caliarthan]

The voice is The Creator.

The Dark One doesn't become aware of Rand's presence until a couple chapters later.

 

[Axis m'Troutilas]

Hmmm what was that voice that Rand heard when he was entering Shayol Ghul? In the end of chapter 23?

For some reason I thought that was the Creator himself though I suppose I don't really have any facts to back it up. It just seemed to make sense, since the DO is the only other person to speak in all caps and this wasn't him then it must be the Creator. If that's the case then clearly he isn't that absent, he just mostly wants to leave the humans free to do whatever they want and only help them when they really really need it?

Yeah I'm pretty much certain that's the Creator chipping in again, like we saw in EotW.