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Right, but that was linked to the madness from the Taint. Now the madness in his brain is kept in check by the white stuff ever since he went Zen Rand, and Saidin has been cleansed. Therefore those should no longer be an issue ... but the issue they created may provide a hint into the current problem with Callandor.
 
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Why do you assume it was somehoe connected to that? :scratch
I've just finished reading PoD two weeks ago, and I can't remember that mentioned.
 
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It wasn't mentioned until a bit later. Rand is meeting with Cads in the manor in the middle of nowhere when she tells him that Callandor amplifies the madness from the taint and he thinks back to that moment when he killed Adley when fighting the Seanchan.
 

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Ok. Off topic, but I've come up with a few questions in my reread and was wondering if anyone might have the answers. :)

1. We know that Moirainne and Suian's "cause" was finding the Dragon Reborn. Do we know any of the other Blue's causes?
2. What happens to a Tinker that can channel? I'd think they would have the same frequency of developing the ability as the Aiel. Do they have their own way of dealing with those women and men, like the Sea Folk and Aiel? I would think the "cause no harm" part of the Way of the Leaf might cause conflict with the ability to channel.


Hmm. I had another that kept me up half the night pondering it last night. Obviously I can't remember now. I'll try to remember it to add later.
 

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If I remember right, when a Tinker girl shows she can channel, that band leaves for Tar Valon asap...
 

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Per the Library, "They do not have a channeling case and if they ever find any girl among them with the ability to channel, they immediately set off for Tar Valon to deliver her (NS, Ch. 3)".
 

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2. What happens to a Tinker that can channel? I'd think they would have the same frequency of developing the ability as the Aiel..
They should have a frequency similar to the westlands in general, though slightly higher as there are not going to be many, if any who can be taught that leave, all will be ones with the spark in born. The Aiel and Sea Folk should have a higher proportion, as they channelers are not removed from the gene pool as in the Westlands. It might be higher still, as it is certainly feasible that women who can channel have a longer fertile life and so will have more children than non channelers. I can't recall offhand if any of the older women who can channel have confirmed having children at an age when other women would no longer be able to
 
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Side note, but still related. Did any of you notice that little hint of Tinker channeler description in EotW?
They reached Raen's fire, then, in the middle of the camp. The Seeker's wagon was yellow trimmed in red, and the spokes of its tall, red-rimmed wheels alternated red and yellow. A plump woman, as gray as Raen but smooth-cheeked still, came out of the wagon and paused on the steps at its back end, straightening a blue-fringed shawl on her shoulders.
... She was Ila, Raen's wife, a head taller than her husband, and she soon made Perrin forget about the colors of her clothes.
or in TSR?
Raen’s wife had come to his side as he spoke, a plump woman, gray-haired but smooth-cheeked, a head taller than her husband.

I think it very likely that Ila is able to channel, and is a wilder. If not that, then perhaps her blue shawl hints that she's another one of the purposes of the blue ajah.

I was really excited when I first realized this, but then I remembered that all the Tinkers are going into Seanchan lands to settle, and I'm sure that includes Raen and Ila, which means she's likely going to be taken as a damane, and forced to channel as a weapon.
 

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If not that, then perhaps her blue shawl hints that she's another one of the purposes of the blue ajah.
Another one of the purposes of the Blue Ajah? What do you mean?
 
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I mean maybe it's actually the Aes Sedai look that Perrin doesn't realize at this stage, and she's Blue Ajah. If so, there's a chance her purpose is to keep the Aiel descendants, the Tua'than, following the Way of the Leaf. I'm sure it's a bit of a stretch, but possible.
 

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Thanks for the info! :)

Maybe that's part of the Blues' mission in a broader sense? Like, they seem to be the manipulators that pull the strings throughout the world to move people to the purposes of Tar Valon. So saying they work for "causes" is a round about way of saying they're the ones that are controlling a lot of things. If that makes any sense?
 
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That makes a lot of sense. That's definitely backed by the idea that they have the most vast network of eyes and ears.
 
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Been awhile since I've posted, but I'm currently in the Shadow Rising, and it struck me as to part of the answer for one of the prophecies.

"Twice dawns the day his blood is shed. Once for mourning. Once for birth."

Rand is a warder. I believe Alanna will die at a critical point, and Rand will go into a warder rage of mourning.
 
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And the other his babies born to Elayne prematurely?
 

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Possibly, though I think that might be a tad too literal for the Prophecies. Though taking the Sword out of the Stone was a bit literal, come to think of it.

I'm at the part in TDR where Mat meets Thom in Tar Valon and Thom talks about killing someone in Cairhien. Did he kill Galladrian?
 
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Yeah, I believe one of the Forsaken killed the guy vying for the throne, and Thom killed Galladrian (after he had Thom's lover killed) ... which is the sole reason why there was civil war in Cairhien.
 

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I did *not* realize that Thom had killed Galladrian and caused the civil war. Man, do NOT mess with the old gleeman - he's badass! :clap
 
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Yeah, Rand was pretty much the other half of it, without realizing it. But also, don't forget that Thom also killed Moiraine's cousin/Morgase's husband too.
 
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He did? :scratch
I don't remember that at all...
Also how was Rand a contributing factor to the civil war? Besides being a Ta'veren I mean.
 
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