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Kitan Tataru · Nov 12, 2012

Yeah, the knife-in-the-back, sneak attack thing really isn't the Aiel's style...sneaking in, maybe, but not actual secret assassination.

Tehmpus · Nov 12, 2012

I found something in the Shadow Rising. My image of Callandor is definitely wrong. In the chapter where Rand fights his 3 mirrorlike personas, Callandor is described as having a cutting edge as good as finely wrought steel. It wasn't blunt after all, even on the edge.

Kitan Tataru · Nov 12, 2012

I wonder - why do they say Callandor is not a sword? I mean, yeah, it's a sa'angreal and it's crystal, but I doubt it's breakable. It would probably make a serviceable sword. It just has more use as a sa'angreal.

Axis m'Troutilas · Nov 13, 2012

Tehmpus said:
I found something in the Shadow Rising. My image of Callandor is definitely wrong. In the chapter where Rand fights his 3 mirrorlike personas, Callandor is described as having a cutting edge as good as finely wrought steel. It wasn't blunt after all, even on the edge.

I hate to say I told you so...............

Actually that's a lie, I do like to say I told you so

Told you so.

Midian Venamar · Nov 13, 2012

Kitan Sedai ... I think it's a lot easier to call it "the sword that's not a sword" than "the sword that is a sword but also happens to not be a sword in that it is a sa'angreal."

Kitan Tataru · Nov 13, 2012

Midian Venamar said:
Kitan Sedai ... I think it's a lot easier to call it "the sword that's not a sword" than "the sword that is a sword but also happens to not be a sword in that it is a sa'angreal."

Tehmpus · Nov 14, 2012

Midian Venamar said:
Kitan Sedai ... I think it's a lot easier to call it "the sword that's not a sword" than "the sword that is a sword but also happens to not be a sword in that it is a sa'angreal."

Ha. True enough. But even that sort of long-winded reply would be only partially correct. It's not just a sword and a sa'angreal, but something more. It's required for the last battle, and has the buffer missing that a sa'angreal usually has to prevent the wielder from drawing too much.

This is just my theory, not fact, but I don't think that the missing buffer is NOT a "flaw" like Cadsuane says. I think it was made that way on purpose.

Morrighan Daghdera · Nov 14, 2012

To force teamwork?

Axis m'Troutilas · Nov 14, 2012

*shrugs*

Could be almost anything at this point, but Callandor is clearly the key to the end. As to how and the why of it, we'll just have to RAFO.

But the lack of a buffer is a good point to be focusing on as its the main difference between it and say the CK.

As to how that plays out................. :cheeseeni:

Tehmpus · Nov 15, 2012

Morrighan Daghdera said:
To force teamwork?

This is why I like you Morrighan. You don't just want to read and find out.

To me, I think that with the buffer gone, then someone wielding Callandor can basically draw unlimited power well beyond what that channeller is capable of holding without being burned out.

Maybe it's intended for the wielder to draw too much.

Axis m'Troutilas · Nov 15, 2012

Tehmpus said:
This is why I like you Morrighan. You don't just want to read and find out.

To me, I think that with the buffer gone, then someone wielding Callandor can basically draw unlimited power well beyond what that channeller is capable of holding without being burned out.

Maybe it's intended for the wielder to draw too much.

Not much point in drawing more than you can handle though unless you can do something with it before you get torched.

Overloading yourself is great for Mutually Assured Destruction Moves, but not terribly awesome at sealing up prisons.

Seems a bit too simplistic to simply use it to blast the DO with.

Also if its used in a circle, the circle brings a buffer into play anyway, so you can't draw deeper with it. of course if that circle is thrown out you can.

Still seems like there should be more too it, that answer is too simple for me.

Aulrick Vendour · Nov 15, 2012

Well I have to ask this, since I'm such a HUGE Cadsuane fan :look:

Does anyone actually think Cadsuane was RIGHT and the lack of buffer is a flaw? That woman has hardly been right in her life, and I doubt she's right this time. As a general rule, much like Elaida's visions interpretations are always wrong, and therefor when she interprets something you can immidiatly assume it's something else, so does whenever Cadsuane says something, I immidiatly assume she's wrong.

This is no flaw, it's a requirement for something.
My tragicaly silly idea with no backing is that it's needed because he'll be channeling the energy of more then just the people in the circle with him.

HGGundamReviews · Nov 15, 2012

Cadsuane actually gave us the clue. "It Magnifies The Taint Causing Wildness Of The Mind". Callandor works as a Sa`Angreal for all 3 powers. "And 3 Will Become 1" Saidin, Saidar, and the True Power combined in a weave to form a permanent repair of the bore.

Aulrick Vendour · Nov 15, 2012

Well the 3 that become 1 could just mean the people in the circle, which we also know are 3.
I also fail to see how the true power, which comes from the DO, can help in capturing him. No, I fear I don't like your interpretation... But it's possible, I suppose.

Kitan Tataru · Nov 15, 2012

The question is...how does Rand have the ability to channel the True Power? Doesn't the DO have to give permission for people to use the TP?

Or could letting Rand channel the TP be part of the DO's plan to turn Rand to the shadow?

HGGundamReviews · Nov 15, 2012

Aulrick Vendour said:
Well the 3 that become 1 could just mean the people in the circle, which we also know are 3.
I also fail to see how the true power, which comes from the DO, can help in capturing him. No, I fear I don't like your interpretation... But it's possible, I suppose.

Actually the reason I think it's accurate is because of what the TP does to the pattern. If they try and touch the DO with the One Power he can Taint or Destroy it. However if the sealing weave includes a Push Back against the DO to clear the bore, one made from the True Power, then the Dark One can't escape it nor can he undo it as his power would undo a weave of the One Power. Lewis Therin in one of his mad rambling said that Something Has to Touch the Dark One in the process of sealing him away.

Analiese Sinclaer · Nov 15, 2012

Kitan Tataru said:
The question is...how does Rand have the ability to channel the True Power? Doesn't the DO have to give permission for people to use the TP?

Or could letting Rand channel the TP be part of the DO's plan to turn Rand to the shadow?

I think that when ever Rand has used the True Power, he pulled it through Moridin, and not directly from the Dark One. I think that Moridin has kept his mouth shut about it for several reasons. It keeps the other forsaken off balance. He may also feel that the True Power couldn't hurt the possiblility of Rand turning to the dark si-- wait, wrong story-- Rand turning to the Shadow. And the third reason that I think Moridin hasn't said anything about the connection is that tDO will probably be pissed off and could possibly withdraw his permission for Moridin to tap the True Power, and it could also get him demoted, which would probably mean death, again. The Dark One does not really strike me as very understanding or forgiving. Anyway, those are just my thoughts.

Tehmpus · Nov 15, 2012

Analiese Sinclaer said:
I think that when ever Rand has used the True Power, he pulled it through Moridin, and not directly from the Dark One. I think that Moridin has kept his mouth shut about it for several reasons. It keeps the other forsaken off balance. He may also feel that the True Power couldn't hurt the possiblility of Rand turning to the dark si-- wait, wrong story-- Rand turning to the Shadow. And the third reason that I think Moridin hasn't said anything about the connection is that tDO will probably be pissed off and could possibly withdraw his permission for Moridin to tap the True Power, and it could also get him demoted, which would probably mean death, again. The Dark One does not really strike me as very understanding or forgiving. Anyway, those are just my thoughts.

Ding ding ding... I think Analiese's got it.

Aulrick Vendour · Nov 15, 2012

I still doubt the TP will be part of sealing the DO away.
And I thought we KNEW it was from Moridin which he drew the TP from... I'll check the exact quote when I get home, but I remember it described as a blurred face passing in front of his eyes, which sounds a lot like what happened with Moridin... After the Balefire crossing, he kept seeing Moridin's face whenever he channeled, but it kept getting more and more blurred.

Midian Venamar · Nov 15, 2012

Actually, I think there's a definite possibility there. I like your theory Gundam. I never thought about combining the TP, Saidin, and Saidar to form something ridiculous and awesome. It makes a lot of sense though ... it's a lot like ...

The end of the last Mistborn book. Ruin and Preservation are both destroyed and in turn form a new Creator.

In WoT it'd be like the power of the DO and the Wheel allow the Creator to have a direct impact on the world ... or something like that. And as stated, Rand has access to the TP through his link to Moridin.

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