So, About the Forsaken...

Morrighan Daghdera

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Halbert Al'Kintion said:
I truely think that of all the Forsaken left living Lanfear is the most likely to turn to the Light once more

When Rand looked into those beautiful, terrible eyes he called her "Mierin". :joy
 
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I see it like this: LTT/Rand are busy whupping the DO and his cronies when the first Dawn comes round then the eclipse happens. Somehow Alivia helps Rand seperate from LTT which makes it seem as if Rand is dead temporarily whilst LTT is alive. Mierin sees him and somehow they hook up and Mierin starts to Serve the Light once more cause love has redeemed her. Its entirly possible and I truely think she is the only one who will turn back.
 
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Morrighan Daghdera said:
[quote="Halbert Al'Kintion":2d4cllkt] I truely think that of all the Forsaken left living Lanfear is the most likely to turn to the Light once more

When Rand looked into those beautiful, terrible eyes he called her "Mierin". :joy[/quote:2d4cllkt]

I always kind of had a feeling about that "Mieren" too. I just dont see her giving over her jealousy and being able to turn back to the light.

I kind of hope I am wrong. I would love to see her turn back. Not even sure why.
 
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As I said before honestly her reason fer turning is the easiest to reverse specially in regards to folks Like Ishy and Demandred and the rest who turned for reasons of alledged logic or hatred or simply unable to accept their own limitations.
 
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I agree with some of the posters (is that the noun I'm looking for) that Lanfear/Mierin is the most likely to turn back to the Light, because she never let go of love. Love was so strong for her that at one point she protected Rand from the attack of another Forsaken?

Also, controversially, I really believed that Asmodean could have turned. He was definitely my No1 candidate for it before he died. There were times when he helped Rand when he didn't really need to and I think he was really starting to relish his role as teacher. It gave him the power and regard he was looking for with the shadow. Given enough time I think that he would have found himself forming relationships and fighting for the Light because of them - same as everyone else. I'm not saying he would be "Paladin good", more of a "neutral good" e.g. the likeable rogue. Anyway is the consenus that he really is dead and, if so, who killed him?
 
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Ariella Algy'ln said:
... Anyway is the consenus that he really is dead and, if so, who killed him?

Asmodean? Yes. Dead. Balefire Dead even if i recall correctly!
By Graendal
 
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Goolan said:
Ariella Algy'ln said:
... Anyway is the consenus that he really is dead and, if so, who killed him?

Asmodean? Yes. Dead. Balefire Dead even if i recall correctly!
By Graendal

You know, I am not even sure that it was balefire. That is the most popular theory because of how quickly he died and that RJ said he permanently gone.

Technically it could have been something else and the DO just don't want to bring him back because of the teaching, and help, he gave Rand.

Other than that, yep-Dead. Yep-Graendal did it (or ordered someone to).
 
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She probably did it herself? It was pretty strongly insinuated. And, even though Asmodean was considered the weakest of the Forsaken, he would still have been more than a match for almost any channeler or darkfriend from the current age. So it's a pretty safe bet Asmodean could've held his ground pretty well against anyone but a Forsaken (or Slayer).
 
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He was mostly-shielded Tazren still from Lanfear.

A novice could have overpowered him.

The thing about how is that RJ has always said it was how and where he was killed which was why he wasn't being brought back.

Not just, how. but where as well. Which makes it tricky has hell to break down.

(altough its nice for my personal Slayer theory)

So its probably not balefire, which doesn't fit the where.
 
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Well you know what you get for forgetting things.........

:trout


Now don't do it again

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Wasn't who killed Asmodean set in stone in the last book? (Your "slayer theory" comment confused me, AXIS)
 
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We know Graendal is behind it.

But we don't know the how of the death.

So we don't know the method she used, or even if she did it in person herself or through a proxy ie their handy dandy assassin on call, Slayer.
 

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I don't think that's possible because I don't think Asmodean knows what Slayer looks like, he was pulled out of the Forsaken game too early. He recognized his killer for certain.
 
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Ninya Evoneigh said:
I don't think that's possible because I don't think Asmodean knows what Slayer looks like, he was pulled out of the Forsaken game too early. He recognized his killer for certain.


It's up for debate if he'd actually "met" him or not, it's possible both ways.

But he would certainly be aware of who Slayer was, and probably would be able to put two and two together when he pops out of TAR.

Actually to me saying "you" sounds like something you would say from someone you were only vaguely familiar with and had a moment of realization. If Graendal been there, I'm not sure he'd have reacted with a statement like that.
 
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Interesting thread. Thanks go out to the mod. Axis, Ninya... good to see that you are still posting.

One subject in this thread seems kinda interesting to me, and I'd like to respond. Earlier, you guys were talking about the reason that Ishamael had turned to the shadow. Most everyone quotes Ishamael when he explained the philosophy of how the Dark One will eventually win since he's basically got eternity to try to devise a way to break out... yada yada.

But what if there was a more personal reason for Ishamael?

What if while he was partially trapped, and he had access to all those lifetimes worth of memories.... that he just got sick of his role as a Servant of the Wheel?

Look at it from his perspective. He's chilling out in tel'aranrhiod, and with access to memories accross all of his lifetimes, he learns that he is an important soul, a hero of the horn, a servant of the wheel.... yet whenever the wheel needs him to acomplish some sort of mighty task for the correct turnings of fate, he ends up having to be the bad guy each and every age. He gets to be the Adolph Hitler persay. He ends up dropping an atomic bomb. He ends up creating a virus that kills off all the channellers of the world... etc etc... I'm just making stuff up here, but you can see the point. Here he is (Ishamael) a servant of fate itself, but instead of getting to come back as a hero reborn every thousand years (like the dragon), he gets stuck being the evil guy all the time.

... And he's been doing it for like forever.

That's gotta grate on a guy. I can understand his desire to end it all, and help the Dark One win this thing.
 
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So, Greandal whacked Asmo? That clue was so subtle that I didn't even notice it.
 

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It is stated quite clearly in ToM, both in the book itself, and spelled out in the glossary.
 
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